two lane roundabout laws

Originally Posted by sinbad

If it's two lanes on and two lanes off then of course you can use either to go straight on (assuming a typical 4 exit roundabout and no signs or road-markings to dictate otherwise).

The taxi driver made a dumbass move and probably at the last second realised it wasn't his exit, maybe you should infer that to your insurers. It's unpredictable behaviour and there isn't a great deal you can do about something like that, lifesaver or no lifesaver. It's akin to a lane-swap from the taxi driver without so much as a glance.

see his passenger was a witness in my favour and when i checked her address on the multi map she lived to the right of the roundabout, so he knew in advance of getting to the roundabout that he wanted to turn right, he just never engaged his brain to think the left lane is not the best place to be

I give up---very hard to try and explain but I will to try and clarify.
Double approach to the round about,lane selection appropriate for turn off required.
No indicator on approach your lane selection dictates----unless you are taking first exit in which case you have your left hand indicator on at the approach.
Any other exit you would only signal left when level with the exit before the exit you intend to take meaning your lane selection on approach is important
Lane selection being nearside lane for first exit off or going straight ahead and off side approach lane for straight ahead and any other turn off or doubling back
I am presuming we are talking about being on a motorbike in this discussion and the only indicator I therefore fell necessary for the complete manoeuvre is your left hand indicator.
As it is a motorbike, traffic approaching towards you has difficulty seeing your right hand indicator whether on or off due to the fact that they are normally side mounted
and not always visible from the left hand side being the line of vision for the approaching traffic.
I am not saying it is wrong to use your right hand indicator I just can't see the benefit,everybody has to go round the same way i.e traffic behind you
and you still have to change it over to left hand for your exit manoeuvre

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Dicky Ticker

I am not saying it is wrong to use your right hand indicator I just can't see the benefit,everybody has to go round the same way i.e traffic behind you and you still have to change it over to left hand for your exit manoeuvre

Aye give up. You're not making much sense. How is the traffic behind you supposed to know where you're going if you don't indicate on approach to a roundabout? If you do indicate here, I don't see the point in cancelling it.

[DavieSV]

I think you don't have a leg to stand on unfortunatly

The roundabout is basically a dual carriageway that goes in a circle.
If you were in the outside lane on a dual carriageway, you would need to have a gap to exit the carriageway. there was no gap.

Just because the Taxi entered the roundabout on your approach, means nothing.

If it had entered on the next approach it would have been perfectly allright for him to be there doing the exact same thing.

As a few have said on this thread, if the exit is not clear, go round again.
But in doing this, does it make it alright for some one on the last exit, seeing you enter the roundabout, therefore assuming you must be exiting on the last exit, so as you approach he can pull out straight in your path.

I'm sorry but there is nothing to say you must exit the roundabout before doing a complete lap.

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by nik_nunez

i did do a lifesaver but he was so close i could not avoid him fully, but i did try to turn away and was almost at a standstill when he hit me

Sounds like you had already started to change lanes before you did the lifesaver. The general idea around looking is doing it before you leap...

Ophic makes a good point about a driver having to cancel their indicator, either on or on approach to the round about. I was always tought that if your going right at a junction you indicate right, a roundabout is no exception it is afterall just a junction. Anyway if your approaching a junction and intend to turn right then you have your right signal on, and with a round about it will just remain on all the way until you reach the exit prior to your intended one, at which point you switch to a left signal. This indicates your intention to leave the round about.


Right turn users of a roundabout who dont signal right while on the roundabout IMO simply dont understand how to use that style of junction correctly. Not sure why but I dont think enough people see a roundabout as a junction, most roundabouts replaced intersections previously controlled by trafficlights. They were intorduced to both increase traffic flow and reduce collison points at junctions. A duel carridgeway crossing a single carridgeway would have possible 22 collision points. A roundbaout on the same junction give you 4 collision points if correct lane disapline is applied. When people start making mistakes with lane selection then roundabouts can increase in collision points, fortunatly at the worst a round about on this type of junction would have 12 collision points which is still much less than before.

Sorry I'm a highways geek

[ophic]

Originally Posted by DavieSV

I think you don't have a leg to stand on unfortunatly

The roundabout is basically a dual carriageway that goes in a circle.
If you were in the outside lane on a dual carriageway, you would need to have a gap to exit the carriageway. there was no gap.

It's interesting to hear different ways things are treated by different people. You'd think that with a single set of rules & guidelines, people wouldn't deviate so much from a single idea.

The point is the taxi driver was in violation of the highway code. It gets tricky because the highway code is a bit vague on whether the OP was also in violation. Side note - the highway code about roundabouts is nothing at all like the highway code about dual carriageways. Totally separate set of guidelines.

I think a lot of the problems occur because the different ways people are taught to drive, by their instructors. My gfs driving instructor, many years ago, informed her that the national speed limit on dual carriageways is 60mph - and since, she has sworn blind that this was the case until proven wrong. For an instructor to make such a basic mistake as that, casts into doubt the whole training structure of the country. It also shows that people don't read the highway code much.

Originally Posted by nik_nunez

i did do a lifesaver but he was so close i could not avoid him fully, but i did try to turn away and was almost at a standstill when he hit me

A thought for the future, do the lifesaver _before_ starting to turn. Then you could have continued round without any problems. If you were already in his path when you did the lifesaver, what was the point of it?
The law states you can go round a round about 3 times before committing an offence.

Ophic I was under the impression a duel carridgeway showing NSL signs is a 60mph, unless there is a central divide in which case it increases to 70mph. Mind you I cant think of a duel carridgeway which doesnt have a central divide so they're all pretty much 70. Is that what you were getting at?

[ophic]

Originally Posted by leedsmatt7

Ophic I was under the impression a duel carridgeway showing NSL signs is a 60mph, unless there is a central divide in which case it increases to 70mph. Mind you I cant think of a duel carridgeway which doesnt have a central divide so they're all pretty much 70. Is that what you were getting at?

Matt, if there's no central reservation, its a single carriageway, regardless of how many lanes it has.

Originally Posted by Highway Code

Dual carriageways

A dual carriageway is a road which has a central reservation to separate the carriageways.