Chinese execution

Originally Posted by sunshine

so someone smuggles drugs for whatever reason they claim and when they get caught in china of all place's complains about a mental problem which would not effect his ability to crime, is complaining about getting caught, and has now been killed by lethal injection. All seems to be in order everything as it should be.

oh and I agree with the death penalty so now how much of a flaming am I going to get for that one?

More supposition of things you simply do not know to be true. See post 28. Up to you if you agree with killing people, it's quite fashionable on here.

Originally Posted by ArtyLady

I agree with Ed.

Cant be bothered to say anymore than that because it always falls on deaf ears.

Unfortunately Lorna, you are right. The above is a case in point. Not so much deaf ears, just ones that won't listen.

I agree with sunshine, mostly.

Bipolar or not, everyone knows it is wrong to smuggle drugs. He took a gamble, and now he's lost it all.

I don't think the death penelty was really appropriate for this offence, but I think it is the correct avenue of choice for other, more serious crimes where it has been proved 100% that the defendent did it or where they have confessed. I don't see the point in spending money keeping people locked up for decades.

I think the sentence was a little harsh ... However i believe he was in the wrong, its China's country and therefore their laws

Drug smuggling pays off because of the high risk attached (ie getting caught smuggling it into a country that dishes out death if they catch you!).

People like this know what they are doing, and know the risks involved. Break the law in another country, and face that countries punishment for the crime you do.

No one deserves to get killed for smuggling, but he just chanced it in the wrong country at the wrong time.

Originally Posted by Ed

How do you know?

Stop jumping to conclusions.

This is the whole point - there was no psychiatric report, and the Chinese refused access.

And now you are jumping to conclusions, assuming I know nothing about psychological disorders.

I am not arguing that he did not have a mental illness. Generally, and generally being the key word in this sentence, people going through a manic episode still have a grasp of what is right and what is wrong, however, they have a feeling of indestructibility and therefore feeling that they are untouchable and that they won't get caught.

You also seem to have chosen to miss out my other point. There is no way he would have been trusted with such a large quantity of drugs if he had not proven himself.

Working with drug users day in and day out I think smuggling and dealing drugs an abhorrent act. I am not, deliberately, making a judgement on whether I agree with the death sentence, however as has been stated numerous times on this thread, he broke the law in China therefore he goes throught the Chinese justice system and ultimately he faced the Chinese punishment.

Who the hell is Gordon Brown to criticise other countries laws and justice systems? He is not the Global Prime Minister. Yes, we may be an influential country in the world but perhaps instead of slating other countries judicial system he should be looking at ours.

You steal in Saudi Arabia - you get hand cut off.
You have an affair in some Middle Eastern countries - you are stoned to death.
You kill a person in the UK - get called a naughty boy and get probation for a year....

Now whilst I realise the last example is perhaps extreme, I pray you get the idea.

When we as a country have a perfect Govt and perfect judicial system, then, and only then, can we interfere with others.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Ed

This is the whole point - there was no psychiatric report, and the Chinese refused access.

From what I understood, there was no history in anyway shape or form to suggest that he might be bi-polar. Hence why the chinese government refused it.

Now thats not to say he didnt have a mental disorder in the first place. Or that the mental disorder his family claimed he had was a fabricated excuse that he had engineered in case he ever got caught.

Thing is all we have is the current set of media hyperbole / spin to go on and I dont believe that we are in possesion of eitehr the truth or the full facts.

The cynical part of me wanders how long the government have known about this and why we are only finding out about it now...

[yorkie_chris]

Ed you do take all these things very personally. You should bear in mind that 90% of people on the internet are just having a wind-up.

Originally Posted by Ed

How do you know?

Stop jumping to conclusions.

This is the whole point - there was no psychiatric report, and the Chinese refused access.

From sources set before us;
He smuggled drugs, got caught, was found guilty (drug smuggling being one of those "caught red handed" type crimes), and won't do it again.

I don't think it will put other people off doing it, there's too much money at stake.

Originally Posted by lynw

So should I don the armour again when the noobs realise Im another bleedin' heart liberal despite my avatar?

Is that a dark patch on your shirt, cos it looks to my untrained eye like you're holding the stock rather than the pistol grip? That would definitely suggest you're a bit left-leaning.

Originally Posted by lynw

So nowt much has changed then in the 2 and bit years Ive been out of here?


So should I don the armour again when the noobs realise Im another bleedin' heart liberal despite my avatar?

Put it this way Lyn - how good are you at !

[anna]

Originally Posted by lynw

So nowt much has changed then in the 2 and bit years Ive been out of here?


So should I don the armour again when the noobs realise Im another bleedin' heart liberal despite my avatar?

no not much has changed the mob still think they rule

Sorry but I am also with Ed on this matter. The death penalty has been brought up so many times and so you all know where I stand on this matter.

I like how it seems that people tell Mr Brown to butt out of other countries affairs when it doesn´t suit them, I remember a lot of people were all for interfering with the dictatorships and regimes in other countries because they did not match our own western moral stance on freedom and liberties.

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

From what I understood, there was no history in anyway shape or form to suggest that he might be bi-polar.

Evidence: