How bl00dy much !!!!!

That's a ridiculous price and totally unneccesary.

Originally Posted by DarrenSV650S

How do you know

Blame the journalists, but I'd rather believe some scientist commissioned by some journalists to do some testing rather than marketing blurb. The tests carried out by bike magazine (which were similar to SHARP tests but took it a bit further and did the same tests to lots of different areas) showed that the cheap helmets were weaker in the areas that didn't get tested for UN ECE approval (ie: they test the forehead so they make it stronger at the forehead), therefore concluded the helmets were being built specifically to pass the test. Pity I don't still have the magazine or I'd scan it and post it.

Originally Posted by beabert

You have basically just said the arai is weaker in the areas the test tests! If it were me i'd rather go by the only rating system we have, rather then guess.

Errm? Read it again! I said the cheap helmets were built to "be strong in the areas that they know get tested", how does that possibly translate to "Arai's are weaker in those areas"?

Originally Posted by simesb

People like lids they have crashed in, and with good reason; people like to feel they can trust their safety gear. People like a light, comfortable helmet for obvious reasons.

sumed up perfectly
ive binned it a few times wearing shoei's they have always done their job , so i will continue to buy shoei for that reason, i found it works and if (some may say when) i bin it again the thoughts going thru my head wont be i hope this lid holds up to this punishment

now if id binned it wearing a 50 quid nitro and it had done its job i would continue to by nitro

as simon said its a trust thing for me not a price thing

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Errm? Read it again! I said the cheap helmets were built to "be strong in the areas that they know get tested", how does that possibly translate to "Arai's are weaker in those areas"?

I don't believe this is true.

R+D costs money, complicated moulds cost money, more pieces to assemble cost money. EPS costs 3/5ths of f*** all.

If I was building a cheap lid, I'd make it so the shell and foam was of the correct type to behave as needed in an impact in any area. You end up with a fairly heavy lid which probably wouldn't have very good ventilation (sound familiar?).


With arai you are paying for features and clever design (or not so clever visors...) and aftersale care. Up to you if you can justify the price for the service. They don't fit me, but even if they did I'd rather have a less fancy brand with less aftersales that's got better features than an entry level arai.
Compare arai condor to shoei... for same price you have shoei all pinlocked up with spare visors (stuff that IMO, you need, rather than aftersale which is just "nice" to have). But that's just my take on value.

I don't believe there is any safety difference worth mentioning. It's a simple case of force vs distance and energy. Try two different foams, one might save your life if you hit a kerbstone, the other might do if you hit something flat. Which is safer? You end up with problems like SHARP tests which tell you nothing, because you can't account for every crash being different.



I'm sure I had a point to make with this wandering keyboard diarrhoea...

Oh yeah, £50 lids are shi'ite. Who cares if they're safe in a crash when you'll probably freeze to death before you have chance to crash.

[Dave20046]

Schuberth do one for between £400 and £800 weighs feck all!

thats a stupid price !

and if rossi wares my lid and is comfortable to do 170+ then i sure feel confident doing 70+ in it

Originally Posted by barwel1992

and if rossi wares my lid and is comfortable to do 170+ then i sure feel confident doing 70+ in it

Rossi is confident that AGV give him lots of money to wear their lids. If Arai stumped up the readies, he'd suddenly become comfortable doing 170+ in one of theirs.

Originally Posted by simesb

Rossi is confident that AGV give him lots of money to wear their lids. If Arai stumped up the readies, he'd suddenly become comfortable doing 170+ in one of theirs.

im sure he would, but i doubt he would ware a lid that wouldn't protect him (mind you any helmet have to be ACU gold cert to near a track any way)

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

I don't believe there is any safety difference worth mentioning

That's not what the magazine article concluded though, in tests such as a spike penetration, rotational friction, bludgeon it with a set force and measure how much force was felt on the inside of the helmet, etc, etc, all lids did not perform the same. Like I said I wish I had it because that article along with my own feelings/beliefs on the subject are the basis of my arguments on this thread. It would be easier to just post it and let people make up their own minds on the conclusion. I certainly read it and decided I would never buy a £50 lid, but a £150 lid was no worse safety wise than an Arai.

RE: the trust thing, if you have crashed in a particular brand of lid and it has had serious impact, been destroyed, and yet still protected your head, then I'd understand forming a trust of a certain brand. I can't understand people trusting a certain lid if all that happened in their crash was that the lid skidded down the road. How do those people know how that same lid would have performed in a heavy impact?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

That's not what the magazine article concluded though, in tests such as a spike penetration, rotational friction, bludgeon it with a set force and measure how much force was felt on the inside of the helmet, etc, etc, all lids did not perform the same.

My argument is those factors are all a trade off, spike penetration for example, make the shell material harder or thicker and have more force from a blunt impact. You end up testing just to find out where the designer thought the best trade off was, which doesn't tell you much.

What is needed is some people to launch some crash test dummies into some road furniture to see what the impacts are like statistically. Then again, any impact that you are likely to get like that is probably going to kill you regardless of a few percent more or less protection.

Rotational friction is good one to test for, out of curiosity did the cheapy plastic shell lids do well in that?


My caberg exploded when I landed on it, shell flexed enough to shatter all the hard plastic vents and visor mechanism and such. did it's job