Met Police Commissioner Sir Paul Stephenson quits

Originally Posted by Bri w

Personally I don't think either of them should have resigned. I've never agreed with the falling on the sword aspect when serious wrongdoings occur.
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Should the Home Sec resign because she is topdog in charge of the Police in the UK? Should the PM resign coz he's boss of the Home Sec?

Goes back to captains going down with their ships I guess. Frequently equally stupid.

Rebekah Brooks had to go - she was in charge of a media that called for others to do the same all the time, so what goes around comes around.

Losing the Met. Commissioner and Deputy in the space of two days can't really be a good thing though. If they are both basically innocent, then we've lost two good people. If they're guilty, then they've sneaked out ahead of the game with full pensions. It's lose, lose really.

[Sir Trev]

Originally Posted by metalmonkey

Yes they are different they are police officers for a start, second they must go by the code of conduct as any other police officer must.

I have to abide by and sign a code of conduct every year too and a lot of companies have them for this very reason. These senior officers are in that way the same as senior business leaders. The only difference is they're paid by the state.

Now the UK has an anti-bribery law expect a lot more companies to introduce c-of-c requirements if not already in place.

Red H is right - as long as it is not blatantly wrong or illegal you do what is required to get the job done. A lighter example was dear old Bilko - when he was replaced by a rule-follower everything stopped working (Bilko had an "agreement" with a local garage that was mutually beneficial, caused no harm, and kept the motor pool going).

Originally Posted by Sir Trev

I have to abide by and sign a code of conduct every year too and a lot of companies have them for this very reason. These senior officers are in that way the same as senior business leaders. The only difference is they're paid by the state.

Now the UK has an anti-bribery law expect a lot more companies to introduce c-of-c requirements if not already in place.

Red H is right - as long as it is not blatantly wrong or illegal you do what is required to get the job done. A lighter example was dear old Bilko - when he was replaced by a rule-follower everything stopped working (Bilko had an "agreement" with a local garage that was mutually beneficial, caused no harm, and kept the motor pool going).

So your saying its okay for police officers to take bribes and illegal kickbacks? Or is it a different set rules for senior officers? It should be pointed out that the Commissioner made a huge point about professional, pride ect hence the 5Ps the guy is two faced.

The code of conduct is very clear, if any officer is offered anything it must be turned down unless it will cause offence. Second there should be an offical kept records of all gifts, who there were from, reason ect.

[arc123]

He's gone because he knows that his and the METs relationship with News International was far too cosy. Same with the assistant chap John Yates too.

The MET have know since 2006 what was going on and have done nothing about it.

Originally Posted by metalmonkey

So your saying its okay for police officers to take bribes and illegal kickbacks? Or is it a different set rules for senior officers? It should be pointed out that the Commissioner made a huge point about professional, pride ect hence the 5Ps the guy is two faced.

The code of conduct is very clear, if any officer is offered anything it must be turned down unless it will cause offence. Second there should be an offical kept records of all gifts, who there were from, reason ect.

You can be very choosy with what you read can't you?

It has been confirmed that all of the "gifts" that the commissioner accepted were listed with Professional Standards. Including the spa thing. He's hardly gonna record them if he felt they were illegal or that he was accepting bribes.

What exactly were the 5P's you keep referring too? And can you actually point out in what ways the Commissioner breached them?

No matter what you think of the guy, the Met has now been left missing it's Commissioner and Asst Commissioner. And no matter what, that can't be good.

Originally Posted by arc123

He's gone because he knows that his and the METs relationship with News International was far too cosy. Same with the assistant chap John Yates too.

The MET have know since 2006 what was going on and have done nothing about it.

I tend to think, this is just opinion mind, that Sir Stephenson has kinda just fallen on his sword because he knew he was getting the blame no matter what. Mr Yates is different though, get the impression he knew he was in the wrong and that the investigation was going to find that, hence why he resigned when informed he was being suspended.

[Bri w]

Currently watching the Parliamentry Select Committee's questioning of Yates. Prior to that it was the Met's PR man - he said Yates had recommended the appointment of Willis. And Yates has just said he had nowt to do with any aspect of the appointment of Willis.

Someone's lying.

[Red Herring]

Originally Posted by metalmonkey

So your saying its okay for police officers to take bribes and illegal kickbacks?

I didn't think anybody has said this. Perhaps you can give an example relevant to this discussion?

[Ch00]

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

What exactly were the 5P's you keep referring too?

5ps are as follows Presence, Proformance, Productivity, Pride and Professionalism.

Originally Posted by Ch00

5ps are as follows Presence, Proformance, Productivity, Pride and Professionalism.

So, Metalmonkey, which of these has he (Commissioner, not Yates)broken? Bearing in mind the spa gift was recorded as per regulations with Professional Standards?