Legal to push a sorn bike?

Originally Posted by Spank86

Are you talking about bicycles there ralph or motorbikes?

Any vehicle. It's illegal to ride or drive across a pavement in most cases unless there is a drop kerb. You can't get done for parking on private land such as your front garden, but you can get done for riding or driving across the pavement to get there. But you are allowed to get out, or get off, and push it there.

My question then is what law dictates that pushing is the same as riding?

Originally Posted by monkey

i can't believe there are so many serious replies here. Just push it there!

If i got nicked for that i'd quite happily attend court to make the plod who nicked me look stupid.

the voice of reason!!!!!

well with regard to bicycles I know you're allowed to push them because a judge has rules that pushing isnt substantively different to carrying and you still represent a pedestrian carrying a load.

With motorbikes I dont think the issue is the pushing (or any other means of propulsion) on the pavement so much as having a vehicle on a public highway without the required insurance, MOT, and tax.

In England the police don't take you to court anyway, the CPS do, so it'd probably never get that far.

Originally Posted by Spank86

With motorbikes I dont think the issue is the pushing (or any other means of propulsion) on the pavement so much as having a vehicle on a public highway without the required insurance, MOT, and tax.

Let's try again shall we.

I know of a law which differentiates between pushing and driving, where driving is illegal but pushing is not.

I know the title of the thread, but I'm not asking whether the vehicle needs to be taxed, or MOT'd or insured, I am challenging this statement

Originally Posted by ryanh1418

Pushing it constitutes driving as you're in control of the speed and direction of that vehicle

and asking RyanH or anyone else who thinks they may know the answer, to substantiate that statement with fact.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just asking for a bit of proof.

[dizzyblonde]

Listen, I need a new chain and sprockets next week, and my Rap is SORN'd with not much left on the MOT(prob nowt) I don't have a van, so I can push it round to mr rob a couple of streets away to fit the chain and sprockets and to do the MOT....

Theres no frickin petrol in the damn thing coz YC sucked it all out.....so its A PUSH BIKE!.....not illegal to PUSH a BICYCLE

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Any vehicle. It's illegal to ride or drive across a pavement in most cases unless there is a drop kerb. You can't get done for parking on private land such as your front garden, but you can get done for riding or driving across the pavement to get there. But you are allowed to get out, or get off, and push it there.

My question then is what law dictates that pushing is the same as riding?

I can back you up on this.

My curb hasn't been lowered in front of the block paving in my garden. I got planning permission years ago for the work to be carried out, but at hundreds of pounds I thought SOD THAT. The town planner said, although it was illegal to drive over the grass onto the block paving, I am well within my rights to dismount my vehicle and PUSH it over, without brreaking the law.....not that anyone takes any notice round here with that rule, as theres not much parking, so everyone digs the gardens up to make room!

Again, pushing is not the same as driving/riding.

[MisterTommyH]

Originally Posted by twowheels

the voice of reason!!!!!

Thats as maybe, but the question wasn't whether you'd get nicked for it. It was whether it was legal.

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

Again, pushing is not the same as driving/riding.

True, but then a parked vehicle is not the same as driving/riding and it IS illegal to park a SORN'd/uninsured/un-MOT'd vehicles on the public highway - including wide pavements and grassed areas on those pavement if they fall withing the highway curtilage.

So without pointing to specific laws, because I'm not a lawyer or a copper, if it's illegal to have a stationary vehicle in this condition on the highway, what about that vehicle being human propelled makes it legal?

If a copper wanted to be really pedantic they could stop you.... ask you for your details... you put the bike on the stand..... BAM the vehicle is parked on the highway without being 'road legal'.

Again, I'm not saying that it's likely you'd get stopped and if it was me I'd probably push it round the corner...... but to the question of is it legal? I seriously doubt it.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

and asking RyanH or anyone else who thinks they may know the answer, to substantiate that statement with fact.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, I'm just asking for a bit of proof.

Ok, that makes sense, sorry for the mix up.

Pushing does NOT constitute driving.

However for clarification, that assumes the offence you'd be attempting to avoid was actually worded as driving. Many other offences worded differently such as being in charge of a motor vehicle could still apply.

OK, lets turn the question around, and I realise it's a bit of a derail but don't think it so irrelevant to this conversation that it constitutes a new thread (this is actually a line of leading questioning that eventually I'm going to bring it back to tax/SORN), if a mod disagrees with me please feel free to move this into one.

My bike is fully legal, but my wife doesn't have a motorbike license.

Can she push it along the street?