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07-03-05, 08:04 PM

The biker "begged" for it. I can't find any sympathy for him and his action.

As others have said - good object lesson - well posted.

Vid demonstrates just how fast it happens and was very familiar to me with my recent off. In my case I was in my own lane, not overtaking and the car up front and ahead in the other lane threw a crazy U-turn across my lane. I went down a little slower than the guy in the vid but I had a fraction more space than him. Weren't enough tho'.

more SPACE = more TIME

07-03-05, 08:23 PM

Absolutely the bikers fault. It was careless driving, not taking in any of the obvious signs regarding the junction, the brake lights or anything like that.

What I'm more impressed with is those fantastic roads. I think we'd all be riding a lot more like that if we weren't **** scared of going over a pot hole. Where was that taken, I wan to move there.

07-03-05, 08:43 PM

100 percent bike riders fault. End of story. Regardless of if the car indicated or not. You don't overtake at a junction, simple. Any doubts were dismissed when he crossed the solid double lines.

Red ones · 07-03-05, 09:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Itching 2 go

nope totally the cars fault! the guy shouldnt have even considered turning, who does he think he is? an equal to the biker or something?ban the cars i say!

Sorry - are we all watching the same clip??

TSM · 07-03-05, 09:56 PM

After looking at the vid again.

It does look like he noticed the car stoping just as he got up close as he stopped gaining speed. It also looks like he slamed on the front and locked up the front as the speedo was showing 0kph before he actualy hit the car.

It would have probably been better if he tried to turn, atleast the gamble might have paid off with the car realising and not continuing its turn.

Added note that is that was in the USA it would have been MPH in canada KPH.

northwind · 08-03-05, 12:32 AM

I think the speedo has kph written on it

BTW, those GSXRs have the speedo pickup from the drivetrain, not the front wheel... the rear end was locked solid but I'm pertty sure the front was still spinning. (that does not strike me as being a rider who can keep it upright when the front slides...)

I reckon if he'd just dropped the hammer he'd have made it past... He was off the power for ages before the crash. In fact, he was way below the power band even when he was making his move. All in all, a donkey.

Red ones · 08-03-05, 07:54 AM

Where was his exit strategy? His standby in case he was blocked for whatever reason (matbe a minivan).

At that sort of speed he may have been lucky if he just cranked the bike over and tried to throw a sharp left. At times like these you find out what the tyres can take!

08-03-05, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Red ones

Where was his exit strategy? His standby in case he was blocked for whatever reason (matbe a minivan).

At that sort of speed he may have been lucky if he just cranked the bike over and tried to throw a sharp left. At times like these you find out what the tyres can take!

If it had the standard BT014's it would have sailed round, but I doubt that this particular rider has the experience to get round a sharp bend like that at speed (or he would have known better in the 1st place!).

You really need to see 8k on the rev counter before you are making any real power, and 11k before it really cuts in....

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08-03-05, 09:04 AM

Not looked at others comments, so not sure if someones mentioned this already. But I don't care, I'm mentioning it anyway

There is clear double lines, meaning (I presume, is this in America?) no overtaking. Although the care driver should have checked his mirrors, I'm not sure it would stand up in court (it wouldn't likely go to court, but you know what I mean

)

75/25 if he's lucky.

08-03-05, 09:28 AM

The biker ignored one important factor - a road sign telling him that the road follows to the left (i think that's what this US road sign means)

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07-03-05, 09:56 PM	#35
TSM The Sick Man Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Peckham.SE.LDN Posts: 4,768	After looking at the vid again. It does look like he noticed the car stoping just as he got up close as he stopped gaining speed. It also looks like he slamed on the front and locked up the front as the speedo was showing 0kph before he actualy hit the car. It would have probably been better if he tried to turn, atleast the gamble might have paid off with the car realising and not continuing its turn. Added note that is that was in the USA it would have been MPH in canada KPH. __________________ OTR: KTM 690 Duke R 2015 Full Akro SIDELINE: Kwak ZX636 A1P 2002, Red, R&G's, Yoshi, Double Bubble Screen GONE: Kwak ZX-7R P1, Full Akro, Undertray, Screen GONE: SV650S K2 Very Bruised & Without Fairing, Motovation Frame Sliders, R&G Ally Sprocket Toe Protector, HEL 2 Line Setup, GSXR K1 600 RWU Forks, Barnett Clutch & Springs, Penske 8981 Shock, Gilles Ti Rearsets, Steel Barends, Scottoiler, AFAM Chain & Sprockets, Twin FIAMM Horns, Skidmarx Bellypan, Full Micron Zeta Steel System, Cut down undertay. Forum Problems & Information / Site Suggestions

08-03-05, 12:32 AM	#36
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,083	I think the speedo has kph written on it BTW, those GSXRs have the speedo pickup from the drivetrain, not the front wheel... the rear end was locked solid but I'm pertty sure the front was still spinning. (that does not strike me as being a rider who can keep it upright when the front slides...) I reckon if he'd just dropped the hammer he'd have made it past... He was off the power for ages before the crash. In fact, he was way below the power band even when he was making his move. All in all, a donkey. __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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07-03-05, 08:04 PM	#31
Shooter Guest Posts: n/a	The biker "begged" for it. I can't find any sympathy for him and his action. As others have said - good object lesson - well posted. Vid demonstrates just how fast it happens and was very familiar to me with my recent off. In my case I was in my own lane, not overtaking and the car up front and ahead in the other lane threw a crazy U-turn across my lane. I went down a little slower than the guy in the vid but I had a fraction more space than him. Weren't enough tho'. more SPACE = more TIME

07-03-05, 08:23 PM	#32
nuntius Guest Posts: n/a	Absolutely the bikers fault. It was careless driving, not taking in any of the obvious signs regarding the junction, the brake lights or anything like that. What I'm more impressed with is those fantastic roads. I think we'd all be riding a lot more like that if we weren't **** scared of going over a pot hole. Where was that taken, I wan to move there.

07-03-05, 08:43 PM	#33
Stig Guest Posts: n/a	100 percent bike riders fault. End of story. Regardless of if the car indicated or not. You don't overtake at a junction, simple. Any doubts were dismissed when he crossed the solid double lines.

08-03-05, 07:54 AM	#37
Red ones Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Hertfordshire Posts: 1,422	Where was his exit strategy? His standby in case he was blocked for whatever reason (matbe a minivan). At that sort of speed he may have been lucky if he just cranked the bike over and tried to throw a sharp left. At times like these you find out what the tyres can take!

08-03-05, 09:04 AM	#39
RenamedMonkey Guest Posts: n/a	Not looked at others comments, so not sure if someones mentioned this already. But I don't care, I'm mentioning it anyway There is clear double lines, meaning (I presume, is this in America?) no overtaking. Although the care driver should have checked his mirrors, I'm not sure it would stand up in court (it wouldn't likely go to court, but you know what I mean ) 75/25 if he's lucky.

08-03-05, 09:28 AM	#40
shutdown Guest Posts: n/a	The biker ignored one important factor - a road sign telling him that the road follows to the left (i think that's what this US road sign means) [/url]