ss600 or sv1000

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by 21QUEST

There are plenty of riders who can spell GSXR Blade etc but couldn't ride there way of a wet paper bag.

Agreed, also IMHO and this is going to annoy alot of people, theres alot of people on this forum who think that the SV is better than it actually is.

If you've passed a full on sports bike rider on a GSXR, blade etc etc then he / she either.

1. cant ride for toffee
2. Let you overtake him
3. Didnt know the road as well as you do
4. Didnt feel like going fast that particular day.

I'm not saying I'm a riding god, I'd say I was an average rider. But when we both know the road Liz says she has no chance of getting anywhere near me when I'm on the GSXR, and Liz is a a bloody good rider. She'll overtake me I'm not saying that she can't, but when she has normally I'm riding like a wally or I dont feel like going at silly speeds.

Beenz I think your about to get a huge and rather plesant surprise as to how good your next bike actually is.

Gotta agree with Fizz, with one slight exception, and thats its a a bit more work for an SS600 rider on steep twisty hills like Porlock for instance. A well ridden bike of either will have no problems though.

Fizz, if the new one handles as good as the test ride one I'll be very pleased. I'm looking forward to riding it. Certainly times have moved on since my last litre bike, an XS1100 Yam in the early eighties, known as a beef cake bolide with tea trolley handling, and they were right

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Beenz

and thats its a a bit more work for an SS600 rider on steep twisty hills like Porlock for instance. A well ridden bike of either will have no problems though.

I still dont agree, I rode a K6 GSXR 600 yesterday, It felt, lighter and more nimble than any SV does that I've ridden and I've ridden pointies and curveys, it had a reasonable amount of low down grunt and midrange. It wasnt all revs either it pulled well from 4000rpm After what I experienced yesterday I still think an SV rider would be working harder on that kind of road than a rider on one of the current generation of SS600's.

I stand corrected, been a while since I had a 600 IL4 (1992), sorry for any confusion caused, times of course have moved on, my memory has not.

fizzwheel, here we go again. In total terms a SS600 is better than an SV, probably why they cost about 3k more.
The simple fact is, it depends on what you want from a bike and as i have said before, the SV does what i need for very low cost.
Yes, the GSXR is a better bike, but I, and a lot of people do not need one.
One point I would argue is that you do have to rev the beejesus out of most new SS600s to extract their real performance.

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Steve H

fizzwheel, here we go again. In total terms a SS600 is better than an SV, probably why they cost about 3k more.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Steve H

The simple fact is, it depends on what you want from a bike and as i have said before, the SV does what i need for very low cost.
Yes, the GSXR is a better bike, but I, and a lot of people do not need one.

Agreed its horses for courses. I'm not saying the SV is a sh*t bike, because its not. For what you pay for it you get a fanastic bike that its alot of fun to ride. I've still got mine I've been swapping between the GSXR and the SV alot in the last few days, IMHO its easy for me to compare the two bikes, because I'm able to the ride them back to back as it were

Originally Posted by Steve H

One point I would argue is that you do have to rev the beejesus out of most new SS600s to extract their real performance.

To extract its real performance, yes you have to make the most of the RPM, however in the real world not the race track, I'd wager that most people dont ever do this. As I said I rode a K6 GSXR 600 yesterday, I never went past 8000rpm in any gear, I never ducked below 4000rpm either. IMHO the bike I rode yesterday had just as much usable power in that rev range as an SV does. I tend to ride my SV in that rev range to.

What I'm trying to do here is to shatter the myth that IL4's dont make power without reving the knackers out of it, that some people seem to have. Because from what I've found its utter b*ll*cks.

Yes, but on that basis are you not arguing that you should save money and ride around on an SV between 5-7000 rpm?
The only time you get to use the real (fast) performance of the SS6 is to take it to its limits on a race track (ie the new R6, which is a bit of a waste of time on overcrowded British roads)

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Steve H

Yes, but on that basis are you not arguing that you should save money and ride around on an SV between 5-7000 rpm?

No. what I'm saying is that I get fedup of reading the guff that gets posted on this forum regarding the lack of Midrange of an IL4. Yes there is a difference but it isnt as massive as most people seem to assume it to be.

Originally Posted by Steve H

The only time you get to use the real (fast) performance of the SS6 is to take it to its limits on a race track (ie the new R6, which is a bit of a waste of time on overcrowded British roads)

You could say that of any bike. SV included.

Need doesn't come into it... Nobody "needs" an SV650 either, we could all be riding around on CB500s.

A modern SS600 revs to about 16k, so mid range is about 6-10k. My K4 GSXR600 started pulling from about 4k, it was very easy to ride it around the 4-6k mark and as you opened it up it just went, and went some more

The suspension, brakes, controls, tyres are all better as standard on a supersport too. However a sports bike doesn't suit everybody and each to their own, I quite fancy a Vstrom for around town and 2 up work, and if I did get to that point, I'd probably look at getting a K4/K5 GSXR750 instead of the 'Blade.

SV1000, a great bike for the money, even better value than the 650 IMPO. But being a bit short in the leg, I find large v-twins tall and not as well balanced as an IL4. Having said that, the 749 is a cracking ride, if just a tad uncomfortable.

Oh, and to add weight to Fizz's argument, the same rider on a SS600 will be noticibly faster than on an SV650, it stops quicker, turns faster, and accelerates for longer with a higher top speed.

.

Jelster, with respect, what i need and don't need is down to me to decide.
What i don't need is a bike that revs to 15,000 or so rpm and that i pay through the nose for, just because of its name or colour scheme. That is why I sold my Ninja.
Good luck to you if you use all of the Fireblades performance on the road. That is your choice.