Calling all engineers

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

if someone doesn't have a degree you know they won't be able to do the job.

I don't have a degree in Software Engineering (the course I started but never finished - course name, not my choice to call it that). That degree teaches, amongst other things, software programming.

I'm employed as a Java Developer. Perhaps I should be sacked, by your logic

Originally Posted by rictus01

As indeed I'd not let you machine conponents or work on my bike.

Why not, because I'm not a qualified mechanic? I hope you are then.

Originally Posted by rictus01

And niether do any of the online dictionaries refer to a degree anywhere, merely training, or you could of course just drive a train .

The dictionary also defines doctor as an eminent scholar and teacher, but as we both know that we're talking about people in a professional role, how about you don't trawl though the dictionary to regurgitate utterly irrelivent text?

Originally Posted by Baph

I don't have a degree in Software Engineering (the course I started but never finished - course name, not my choice to call it that). That degree teaches, amongst other things, software programming.

I'm employed as a Java Developer. Perhaps I should be sacked, by your logic

Baph its worse, im an "Operataions Lead Engineer" according to my job title (I dont care what it is in reality). So should I be leading operations....Mark bring your knee here...i'll sort it!

Dan

I think the problem it that engineers (by engineers I mean FS's definition) feel/are v undervalued in the UK and this problem is exacerbated by the fact that practically anyone can call themselves an engineer (unlike in other professions and countries), other languages have clearly separate words for engineers and technicians.

Originally Posted by Sudoxe

Baph its worse, im an "Operataions Lead Engineer" according to my job title (I dont care what it is in reality). So should I be leading operations....Mark bring your knee here...i'll sort it!

Dan

I've also been employed (by the same firm) under the title of "Data Architect." My thinking was great, I'll just be designing DBs all day long. Erm, nope. My job was pretty much the same as it is now, and I'm working under a different title, but getting paid more (as of the end of this month at least )

So much for F_S's theory that if you don't have a degree in your field you can't do your job.

Originally Posted by Baph

So much for F_S's theory that if you don't have a degree in your field you can't do your job.

Please point out where I said that.

Originally Posted by Triumphumphumph

so now all you highly qualified engineers have finished protecting your status, is anyone gonna offer the poor geezer a job!

I would love to help bud but I'm not an engineer

oh yeah, sorry i can't help either. good luck though getting a decent summer placement. it will help you loads when applying for jobs when you graduate (as i'm sure you know). wish i had got some work experience before i graduated.

Originally Posted by sarah

I think the problem it that engineers (by engineers I mean FS's definition) feel/are v undervalued in the UK and this problem is exacerbated by the fact that practically anyone can call themselves an engineer (unlike in other professions and countries), other languages have clearly separate words for engineers and technicians.

Yep!

[rictus01]

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Why not, because I'm not a qualified mechanic? I hope you are then.

actually more because I know you, and I'll refer you back to post 7 of this thread.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

The dictionary also defines doctor as an eminent scholar and teacher, but as we both know that we're talking about people in a professional role, how about you don't trawl though the dictionary to regurgitate utterly irrelivent text?

Hey you brought up Doctors, nothing to do with the queston asked.

Originally Posted by Baph

I don't have a degree in Software Engineering (the course I started but never finished - course name, not my choice to call it that). That degree teaches, amongst other things, software programming.

I'm employed as a Java Developer. Perhaps I should be sacked, by your logic ?

No great worries there, I've been an implementor,administrator, designer, technician and now consultant (hey I wonder if I could do my surgery).

Cheers Mark

Originally Posted by Baph

So much for F_S's theory that if you don't have a degree in your field you can't do your job.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Please point out where I said that.

OK, no editing this post whatsoever. Read the last sentence in this one...

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Dan I think IT is a special case - the need for an academic grounding is far less important than experience.

However for alot of engineering jobs it's important to have both. Therefore, even though someone who has a degree might be a muppet and unable to do their job, if someone doesn't have a degree you know they won't be able to do the job.