Tarred & Feathered

[northwind]

Originally Posted by RhythmJunkie

I think a black person should only be judged by black jurors! That way racial bias is totally eliminated whether deliberate or otherwise!

Was this a joke

Originally Posted by RhythmJunkie

The dealer supply's an opiate to a customer and the doctor supply's an opiate to a customer, that's what we patients are called these days "customers"!

********. You're called 'Service Users', or 'Patients'.

I have 350 doctors on my books who'd be happy to discuss your conspiracy theory further, I'm sure.

They're not handing out opiates willy-nilly as you imply, rather prescribing them for illnesses.

Might I suggest that you don't discuss your attitude to the medical profession with your GP? If you do, you may find that he's reluctant to help if you ever get ill.

Here we go with the insults again..

I thought this was a grown up forum for grown up people who debate instead of resorting to schoolyard name calling?

This is not my conspiracy theory I'm refering to the governments own statistics on drug related deaths.

They're not handing out opiates willy-nilly as you imply, rather prescribing them for illnesses

Illnesses? They are pain killers. Mildly addictive ones and very easy to procure from your doctor...far easier in fact than from a dealer. The mucky opiates full of talc you have to pay for whereas many people don't have to pay for prescriptions.

Anyway... I'm getting led away from my original post here...I mention opiates and the whole thread turns into a argument about opiates!!!

My original post was about the fact that the dealer gets tarred and has probably never killed anyone yet prescription drugs kill many people. I'm not going to start handing figures out, go find the figures for yourself....I've already done that groundwork! No-one gets tarred for those deaths! They are simply swept under the carpet as a necessary evil of taking modern medicines!

I'm just stating that to put the tarring into some perspective (remember my original post?) the dealers kill far less people with drugs than....erm...how can I put this without upsetting any paramedics or doctors out there....than the medical profession....I think thats the term usually used by legal teams so its good enough for me! That way I'm not pointing the finger at any individuals!

As for the ******** bit.....read this and feel the anger!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6225716.stm

Originally Posted by RhythmJunkie

Some conspiracy theory ********....

Illnesses? They are pain killers. Mildly addictive ones and very easy to procure from your doctor...far easier in fact than from a dealer.

More conspiracy theory ********...


As for the ******** bit.....read this and feel the anger!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/6225716.stm

I did read that, and read many similar stories. I for one agree that friendlier staff and better customer service are good things for the NHS, which is why my organisation strives to improve on the already good 98% of patients rating our services as 'satisfactory' or better.

However, if it comes down to it, I'd rather be treated properly by an ******** and cured, than treated by ever such a nice chap who's no use at all.

I really hope you never get terminal cancer, or you may find yourself on the receiving end of those dangerous opiates. I assume you'll be choosing pain instead of comfort?

Oh, and BTW. There were no insults in my post. Read it again. You're clearly just paranoid.

Originally Posted by Bellerophon

Btw, the muffled voices you can hear are due to the fact that you have your head jammed firmly up your @rse.

Winning comment of the whole debate!!

Originally Posted by RhythmJunkie

I'm just stating that to put the tarring into some perspective (remember my original post?) the dealers kill far less people with drugs than....erm...how can I put this without upsetting any paramedics or doctors out there....than the medical profession....I think thats the term usually used by legal teams so its good enough for me! That way I'm not pointing the finger at any individuals!

To be honest, I took your original post as simply pointing out that more people die (almost always by their own hand) via legally obtained drugs than illegally obtained ones. I don't know the stats but my hunch would be that's correct.

But you've taken it way too far in my opinion. There's a key difference between illegal drug dealers and the medical profession. The intent of the medical profession is to save lives and prevent pain and suffering. The intent of the drug dealer is to make money even if that costs the health of their "customers". You may think it's too easy to legally obtain strong drugs but that's besides the point - in prescribing those drugs the medical personel involved use their experience and education to make the very best decision they can in the very best interest of their patient. The illegal drug dealer makes no such decision.

As for black people should only be judged by other black people, I think that's completely bonkers, and by inference I think that makes you a little bit bonkers Take it as an insult if you wish... Surely by extension criminals should only be judged by other criminals? That way we'd avoid any bias and prejudice the law abiding have toward criminality?

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by MiniMatt

To be honest, I took your original post as simply pointing out that more people die (almost always by their own hand) via legally obtained drugs than illegally obtained ones.

See thats what i thought you were getting at ... as well as the major hypocracy that is the alcohol and cigerette industries.

Legal prescription drugs are way off my personal radar.

But if you'd kept the "why not burn down the beer factories instead of tarring this one guy?" line going i dont so so many peeps would be jumping at you on this issue.

Whats makes me laugh is the NHS having to spend our taxes on TV adverts telling us not to smoke. Any idea how much a TV ad costs? Aint cheap and i'm sure its money the NHS could use better elsewhere.
If the Govt really want peeps to stop smoking then why dont they close the fag factories and ban all tobbaco sales?
Why wont they? The billions in taxes they get is the ONLY reason why...but they have to be seen to pretend to care for our welfare by "encouraging" us not to smoke.

Lets all tar the fag company directors instead i say!!

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

If the Govt really want peeps to stop smoking then why dont they close the fag factories and ban all tobbaco sales?
Why wont they? The billions in taxes they get is the ONLY reason why...but they have to be seen to pretend to care for our welfare by "encouraging" us not to smoke.

Lets all tar the fag company directors instead i say!!

With tar scraped from dead smoker's lungs

Thing with a totla ban is, the smokers wouldn't be too pleased, look how pi**sed off they are about the pub bans. Box is open, demon is out. Prohibition doesn't really work, just drives it underground, introduces extra risks, puts the profits in the hands of criminals, etc. See also: cannabis, MDMA.

[Spiderman]

Ah, so we dont ban something we know is a killer because we fear the backlash from the users?

Then by that argumnet ALL drugs should be decriminalsied, including tobacco and alcohol, so the govt make no money from it and the suppliers have a responsibility to make sure the gear is half decent... or risk losing customers.

Imagine if the govt got hold of the sale of all drugs. The price would skyrocket overnight and there would just be worse quality gear on the streets.

DECRIMINALISE is the only sensible way forward. Oh and no NHS treatment of the after effects either. if you take it...take responsibility for yourself too. or dont take it. i'd apply that to drink too btw. far too much of the NHS resources are taken up by drunks or the long term or weekend variety and no one seems upset by that. But mention the NHS giving out too muchmethadone and everyone goes a bit nuts about it.

Alcohol is the biggest killer drug in this country for sure.

[northwind]

Originally Posted by Spiderman

Alcohol is the biggest killer drug in this country for sure.

Yup, and the most harmful thing in a joint is the tobacco you roll it with

Still, I don't agree with withdrawing care, last time I looked tobacco tax more than covers tobacco treatment, and the same for alcohol.