Increased Taser usage questions

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

The police have all the powers they need to do their job. As for smarter beauraucrats, ha!



Oh that makes it all ok then. Lets just allow the police to arbitrarily shoot suspects, that'll work nicely. But as Spidey says, he wasn't even here illegally.

My point is that innocent people dont run from the cops...If you have something to hide on the other hand...

Originally Posted by neio79

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Not to mention a waste of time, when good discipline and mentoring from parents and schools would help, but again I then come back to the fact that that is what is missing from the UK today.

Exactly...
And its the very same liberal lefty brigade that brought this upon themselves and others...

Freedom this and human rights that...

Tazer the lot of em I say!

Originally Posted by neio79

A new slant on that, yes knowledge is power, so therefore the police should start acting like the Gestapo then? i.e a secret police as to gather effective intelligence on people it needs to be done covertly.

Absolutely not. You'd be well to learn the difference between knowledge and wisdom.

I'm only going to rise to the Menezes posts as some mis-information as clearly stuck.

Initial reports from eye witnesses were wrong. Two seperate investigations into the shooting have shown some key facts:
1. He did not run. The two reports believe that witnesses saw the plain clothes police running and jumping the barrier. All police testimony to the reports agree that the victim did not run from the police.
2. He was not wearing "bulky clothing, too hot for the day". Again, the reports suggest these early eye witness accounts were actually referring to plain clothes police.
3. He was sat down on the train, then police officers entered the train, then they restrained him. Then they shot him. There is some confusion in the reports as to when the police identified themselves as police officers, despite early media reports to the contrary, in the enquiries they could not state that they definitely identified themselves as police before the shooting.

Clearly something went horribly wrong but none of the reports identified anything JCdM could have done differently on the day to avoid it.

[Biker Biggles]

I believe he was sat on a tube train at the time.Can't have run that far.
Let's admit it,the whole affair was a clusterf*ck of the highest order.No one intended an innocent man get killed but it happened.
As for the above debate,what worries me is the assumption that coppers on the beat are good arbiters of who gets a good hiding,or a tazering,or even fitted up and sent down for a while.Most coppers are good upstanding members of society,just like anyone else,but history tells us that given too much power people become corrupted by it,and abuse it.Coppers are no exception to this,and that's why we have strict rules concerning when they can use their powers and when they can use force.
Im not anti giving police guns tazers or anything else,just as long as their use is strictly controlled.

Too many irregularities in the JCDM debate now so I refuse to get involved in that one any further.

Originally Posted by Jdubya

Too many irregularities in the JCDM debate now so I refuse to get involved in that one any further.

The irregularities are irrelevant. This is what happens. Through incompetance or abuse when the police missuse their power innocent people pay a very heavy price. It is why wishing for greater police power is highly unwise.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

The irregularities are irrelevant. This is what happens. Through incompetance or abuse when the police missuse their power innocent people pay a very heavy price. It is also why wishing for greater police power is highly unwise.

Its not just the police...its human nature.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

Through incompetance or abuse when the police missuse their power innocent people pay a very heavy price. .

The two are very diferent!

Originally Posted by Jdubya

Its not just the police...its human nature.

So that makes killing people ok?

Originally Posted by neio79

The two are very diferent!

So if the police are given the power to shoot you dead for no reason, are you going to care why it happened?