The Racing Thread - THIS THREAD CONTAINS RESULT INFO

[Supervox]

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

Because they have to run the WSB and BSB in such a high state of tune to make the power. Which means they have to use expensive engine bits and bobs and also frequent rebuilds. which cost money.

IIRC the Honda SP2 that Colin Edwards rode in 2002 would do 1500 km's before a rebuild where as the Ducat of Baylis was doing 700 km's before a rebuild.

The argument goes for 1200 that if they run a bigger capacity bike. They wont have to tune it so higly to make power comparable with the IL4 so therefore it wont cost as much for Ducati to run a WSB or BSB team.

I'm sure Peter will correct me if I have got this wrong though

Instead of bleating on & on & on about how it's all so unfair & that everyone's against them etc, etc, etc . . .

Why don't they work out how to build an engine that can be raced effectively both from a financial & results point of view ??

If Ducati are allowed to run a 1200cc engine they will spend just as much - because they'll tweek it to within a nanometre of its life thus giving them an even bigger advantage !!

Let's face it Ducati will do ANYTHING to win - as proved a few years ago when their bike somehow mysteriously managed to keep running whilst on its side without the rider holding the throttle open - a feat they were challenged to repeat under scrutiny to prove their innocence & couldn't !!

I have nothing whatsoever against the riders - nor even Colin Wright (after all he HAS to spout the company line or lose his back-up) - I just think that Ducati are a bunch of cheating, whinging, lying B*****DS !!



I feel better now !!

[fizzwheel]

If Doran eta all have any sense. They limit the amount of tuning work you can do on a twin to stop Ducati tuning the nads off it.

Wasn't this a similar arguement they used a few years ago when they were allowed 1000cc's and all the inline 4's had to be 750cc.


I am not anti Ducati but think that they should just get on with it and if they can't compete with what they have got then develop a newer more powerful engine :P

Ducati have had there own way for to long, they are now a multi national company and have shown with the Moto Gp programme that they are not to far behind the japs( but they are still behind)

WSB wasn't started to be a rolling ducati advert or a one make event and the powers that be shouldn't let Ducati take it down that road.

Chog

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by chog

Wasn't this a similar arguement they used a few years ago when they were allowed 1000cc's and all the inline 4's had to be 750cc.

Umh not quite I think. I think that Ducati Exploited a loophole in the existing regulations. I think that there was misprint in the regulations that allowed them to run a 1000cc Twin and it could weigh less than the 750 fours. Again I might be wrong though

oooh I say as Mrs.Merton would no doubt comment....."What a lively little debate!"

No matter how much shenaningans goes on with Ducati trying to get the odd "leg up" they will always have my support as for sheer financial clout they just cannot compete with the Nipponese manufacturers.Period.

I do not want to see the racing devalued by unfair advantage being seen to be awarded, but much as I love the Jap bikes. There is one sweet taste when Ducati pulls off another David against Goliath act!

Where's the romance in yer Supervox?

[Supervox]

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

oooh I say as Mrs.Merton would no doubt comment....."What a lively little debate!"

No matter how much shenaningans goes on with Ducati trying to get the odd "leg up" they will always have my support as for sheer financial clout they just cannot compete with the Nipponese manufacturers.Period.

I do not want to see the racing devalued by unfair advantage being seen to be awarded, but much as I love the Jap bikes. There is one sweet taste when Ducati pulls off another David against Goliath act!

Where's the romance in yer Supervox?

I hate injustice !!

And when an Italian manufacturer is given preferential treatment by an Italian run company i tend to find that unfair !!

Are you aware that Flamin' Flammini is on record as having told Triumph that they could not race their 675 ". . . because we can't alter the rules to suit one manufacturer"

Erm, excuse me but isn't that EXACTLY what he does when Ducati ask him too ??

i am in favour of keeping the rules how they are now and i think a change would be a bad move for WSB and just create a ducati cup, BUT ducati are still running 20bhp less than the il4's they are only winning because the bike can put the power down better where as corser and co are spinning up everywhere and getting little traction. from that point of view i can see there argument
as for cost ducati are still a small company compared to the big japs who have pots of money!

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by Supervox

Are you aware that Flamin' Flammini is on record as having told Triumph that they could not race their 675 ". . . because we can't alter the rules to suit one manufacturer"

Erm, excuse me but isn't that EXACTLY what he does when Ducati ask him too ??

Yep I was aware of that and its one rule for Ducati and one rule for Triumph and I dont think thats particularly fair either.

Its not like Ducati dont have the option to make a V4 road bike either. They have just said that they arent gonig to homolgate the GP replica road bike for WSB. Surely that woudl be a way out of their problems with the twin. But no they dont want to do it.

Flamin' Flammini mmmm italian ducati mmmm italian i just dont get it?

I also thought it a terrible shame that the 675 was not allowed to run in the Supersport class,I was really looking forward to it kicking Jap ass.

I do not disagree with anyone that screams against favouritism or unfairness. However what no-one should forget is the WSB championship would be devalued far more by Ducati stepping down than any other factory.

This is not my bias....they simply bring a certain something to the party that simply cannot be replicated by any team with a Japanese machine. It is all ballox but it is those little elements of the exotic, glamour etc, just like it is in Moto GP.

They might not always have the best bikes or riders but there are more devout and impartial fans that want to see them mixing it with the big boys than anything else.

Unlike where many people have a favourite rider and will stick with him no matter what he is riding, with Ducati the fans are with the machine first, the pilot second. It is a very subtle difference but a very important one.