Gripe of the day - What is yours?

[ophic]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

The allies sleepwalked into WW2 because they did not take Nazis seriously

Let's not make that mistake again then, eh?

[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by maviczap

I respect your right to free speech, but in all my years on the Org, I've never read such a terrible post.

Isn't that what free speech is all about ? Not living in an echo chamber.

It has taken us in the west thousands of years and the death of many brave people to get the free speech and secular government we take for granted, and we will not realise what we have lost until we no longer have it, then it may take another thousand years to get it back (if ever).

[BanannaMan]

I grew up as a racist, in a home, in a racist town, in a racist state, in a racist country, but I did grow up.


And through work and through traveling I have met people of every colour and of every religion, and non-religion and I have to say, there are good people everywhere of every colour, of every religion. Most of them in fact.


You can't compare all Muslims to Nazis, maybe IS or other extremist groups but to paint all people of any race or religion as the worst stereotype is simply being racist.
I should know, I was one, sadly, for over half of my life.


See my smile of the day!

[kaivalagi]

Some one is mixing up a people of faith (Muslims) with far right western propaganda based on extremist Islamic leadership that is not the norm of the Muslim population.

All the time people do this it makes it more difficult to bridge the culture divide in western civilisation. People are just people, they want to be happy and peaceful as a whole...its certain leadership where things get messed up.

No one is going to 'invade' or 'conquer' our way of life....as long as our way of life is truly modern and representative of us all.



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[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by kaivalagi

Some one is mixing up a people of faith ....as long as our way of life is truly modern and representative of us all.

But that is exactly the problem, Islam is an all consuming way of life that has very little tolerance for western values, and already they run parallel 'Sharia' courts and think they override white mans 'infidel' laws. Seems they want to cherry pick our prosperity and security but keep their own laws (some of which are very sexist and barbaric). Saudi Arabia supplies vast funds for building mosques in western countries, not that they have a hidden agenda eh.

[kaivalagi]

How is that different from Christianity building churches all over the world, based on belief in a religion this will happen. But as with so called white "Christians" a lot of "Muslims" are not all that religious either and want a normal life with some common decency. People need to stop with the them and us and understand religion always creates a divide, and that WE ALL need to get past that!

I think we need a culture exchange programme like used to be with foreign exchange students where you spent one week elsewhere, so people can experience other cultures and understand that were all the f'ing same!
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[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by kaivalagi

How is that different from Christianity building churches all over the world, based on belief in a religion this will happen. But as with so called white "Christians" a lot of "Muslims" are not all that religious either and want a normal life with some common decency. People need to stop with the them and us and understand religion always creates a divide, and that WE ALL need to get past that!

We have learned the (very) hard way in Britain and Europe that religion and government do not mix, that is why we have secular (division of church and state) government and that accounts for the prosperity and freedoms we enjoy (and very much I'm afraid take for granted) - but certain religions are not happy with this idea and still think their religious laws override the laws of the land that has welcomed them and given them a much better way of life - that is what bugs me, the huge ingratitude, and almost complete lack of respect for you host country and making very little effort to integrate. I grew up in Wolverhampton, and when I go back there now I feel very much as if I am in a foreign and very alien country.

IMHO every religion on the planet is designed by men to have power over women, and that sticks in my craw big-time.

[Luckypants]

OK folks, although this thread is not on a particular subject for it to go off topic as it is only for gripes, a discussion has broken out - having a topic is off-topic IMO! To help your discussion to stay on topic and allow folks to post their gripes, would you please take your discussion to a dedicated thread? If a thread is started, I'll move the relevant posts out of here to it to keep the discussion in one place.

KEWL! Had to use my moderator hat for the first time in ages!

[shiftin_gear98]

It's raining again.

[Chris_SVS]

Good day to be riding, have no bike