Gripe of the day - What is yours?

[garynortheast]

Originally Posted by Richie

Stupid folk with shopping trollies...

http://www.swindonadvertiser.co.uk/n...ath/?ref=fbshr

Bloody hell. Just wtf goes through some people's heads. Morons.

[maviczap]

Seems to be a new fad, seen something similar done to a group of cyclists, who'd posted up some helmet cam footage.

Glad they got a couple of the scotes.

[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by garynortheast

Bloody hell. Just wtf goes through some people's heads.

Absolutely nothing most of the time (used to be special brew) but then their single neuron wakes up and looks for mischief without a thought for the consequences.

Certain people keep saying kids mature earlier these days but in the same breath keep wanting the age of criminal responsibility raised because 'they are too young to know the consequences of their actions' - wish they would make their minds up.

Problem is, the more human jobs that get replaced by robots and self-driving cars and lorries the more people you have around with nothing to do, and the devil finds work for idle hands.

[Sir Trev]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

Problem is, the more human jobs that get replaced by robots and self-driving cars and lorries the more people you have around with nothing to do, and the devil finds work for idle hands.

Not a problem if we use a bit of creative thinking. All of the eastern European agricultural workers apparently leaving because of Brexit can be replaced by indigenous oxygen thieves. They all think the work is beneath them/they're too lazy but if their benefits are made dependent on them actually doing something useful they won't have time for attempted-murder-by-shopping-trolley.

[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by Sir Trev

They all think the work is beneath them/they're too lazy but if their benefits are made dependent on them actually doing something useful they won't have time for attempted-murder-by-shopping-trolley.

When you have had generations of same family all dependent on dole they get to become experts on all the different benefits available, and all the scams, make a damn good living and are harder to dislodge than Japanese Knotweed or Himalayan Balsam. It costs money to oversee and control systems to make sure these cunning people work, and sometimes governments just think it is cheaper to pay benefits.

My brother found out the hard way when he was out of work that the more you have put in the harder it is to get something back - having been in work paying tax and NI since he was 15 and unemployed (although very skilled) at 62 he went to DHSS and was told that because he had 'assets' (ie his house that he had worked hard to buy) they could not really do anything for him except maybe job seekers allowance, and to add insult to injury he still had to fork out for council tax and kept up his NI in the hope his pension would be OK.

Getting lazy Brits back to work is a very big mountain to climb, and in a democracy there is only so much persuasion you can use - because if you are not careful these people will just vote Labour and the economy gets trashed for another 5+ years.

[Bibio]

the UK has always had unemployed but the good news is that we now have the lowest unemployed figure since 1975. the unemployed dont cost us that much in reality as most of the money they get they spend which the Gov get some back in tax or duty.

what is costing us money is military intervention in other country's in the name of terrorism. for every bullet fired it costs the tax payer 100% of the price of that bullet but we dont see TV programs moaning about that.

[Red ones]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

When you have had generations of same family all dependent on dole they get to become experts on all the different benefits available, and all the scams, make a damn good living and are harder to dislodge than Japanese Knotweed or Himalayan Balsam. It costs money to oversee and control systems to make sure these cunning people work, and sometimes governments just think it is cheaper to pay benefits.



My brother found out the hard way when he was out of work that the more you have put in the harder it is to get something back - having been in work paying tax and NI since he was 15 and unemployed (although very skilled) at 62 he went to DHSS and was told that because he had 'assets' (ie his house that he had worked hard to buy) they could not really do anything for him except maybe job seekers allowance, and to add insult to injury he still had to fork out for council tax and kept up his NI in the hope his pension would be OK.



Getting lazy Brits back to work is a very big mountain to climb, and in a democracy there is only so much persuasion you can use - because if you are not careful these people will just vote Labour and the economy gets trashed for another 5+ years.

It's a good job the average Muslim immigrant is a net contributor to the economy then? Someone has to pay for the lazy work shy Brit.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Bibio

the UK has always had unemployed but the good news is that we now have the lowest unemployed figure since 1975. the unemployed dont cost us that much in reality as most of the money they get they spend which the Gov get some back in tax or duty.

what is costing us money is military intervention in other country's in the name of terrorism. for every bullet fired it costs the tax payer 100% of the price of that bullet but we dont see TV programs moaning about that.

Proof please. By far the largest govt expenditure is welfare, whether deserved or not, and even taking 20% vat off it - it's still the largest.

[Bibio]

its not just vat its duty as well which includes things like petrol, alcohol and tobacco.

go and look for the rates at which things are then work out what you actually spend in the pound taking off the vat, duty, NI, income tax. receipts dont show duty they only show vat.

for instance petrol/diesel is 57.95p+vat for every pound spent at the pump

when you start working things out for a weekly/monthly expenditure its shocking just how much the Gov get of your £1 that you have worked for. well its exactly the same for unemployed except the Gov give them the £1

duty/vat https://www.gov.uk/tax-on-shopping/alcohol-tobacco

as for military expenditure well they dont get anything back in the price of a bullet once fired or weapons sitting idle do they so the figures are much higher. yes personal spend money so their vat/duty goes back into the system but all the things they use dont. its the same with the NHS.

[ophic]

Still not true though. Whilst not disputing the overspend on military, even if the gov't get back half of what they spend on welfare (and I'm including pensions here) it's still the biggest expenditure.

"Defence" is only about 6%. Welfare (inc pensions) is about 35%.