Adoption, abortion and IVF: Discuss

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

Didn't the idea of preserving life, no matter what, stem from religion - god's creations and all that?

I think you're right, although I believe it was originally written in the context of the Greek pantheon of Gods (as opposed to a Judeo-Christian one) and suicide/ending any life wasn't quite so taboo as in, say, a Christian one. Some denominations of Catholic believe that suicide is an unforgivable sin (as you don't have "time" to repent after doing it) and results in you automatically going to hell, in spite of what you did in the rest of your life. Arguably, they would be more opposed to that other great controversial topic, euthanasia than the classical greeks, yet this too was a no no under the original hippocratic oath.

Don't quote me on any of this mind- I'm no medical historian!

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by alpinestarhero

I guess so, but when you abort something the life being terminated dosn't have any say in the matter...

Unless that person is in a vegetative state and their wife/husband whatever decides they want to end their suffering. Or is that murder? It's a fine line I think

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by sarah

DD is quite young, he just looks old.

OI! bugger off

Originally Posted by plowsie

But wise also.

Why thank you

Originally Posted by dirtydog

Unless that person is in a vegetative state and their wife/husband whatever decides they want to end their suffering. Or is that murder? It's a fine line I think

yea it is a fine line. I think at that point it has to be someone who knows oyu very well to decide if you want your life terminated. Maria knows I do, and so do my parents.

Or

I could be kept in a vegative state until the wonders of science come up with a cure!!

Wouldn't it be an **** if the plug was pulled, then the next day a revolutionary and brilliant new treatment was offered...

Anyway, joking aside, we seem to be realising there are lots of fine lines between one thing and another

[Messie]

I have said often to my family that if I'm ever in a state of no free will will and too much suffering, please then "Take me to the vets" as the euphemism went in our family when one of the cats was 'moments' away from a painful natural death.

perhaps euthanasia and abortion are not a million miles away from each other

IVF shouldn't have an age limit. Who's to say at what age you aren't fit to be a parent? IF anything, maybe there should be a limit to the number of cycles one can have,if only to give everyone a fair chance.

As for government funding of IVF. Compared to everything else the government funds, why not!!!

I'm completely pro adoption.

As for abortion, I'm on the fence with this one. I can see both sides of the argument. If done for medical reasons, I'm drawn towards the pro abortion camp. For social reasons, I'm not so sure. It is afterall a healthy viable fetus.

Originally Posted by Messie

I have said often to my family that if I'm ever in a state of no free will will and too much suffering, please then "Take me to the vets" as the euphemism went in our family when one of the cats was 'moments' away from a painful natural death.

perhaps euthanasia and abortion are not a million miles away from each other

Yeah, but eunathasia requires a conciuos desire by the person involved, either at the time or previous, who speaks for the aborted child ? anti abortion, pro adoption

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Messie

perhaps euthanasia and abortion are not a million miles away from each other

I already said that

Originally Posted by melody

IF anything, maybe there should be a limit to the number of cycles one can have,if only to give everyone a fair chance.

As for government funding of IVF. Compared to everything else the government funds, why not!!!

For social reasons, I'm not so sure. It is afterall a healthy viable fetus.

I thought there was a limit to the number of cycles (3 i was led to believe) if it was being done on the NHS?
True enough they fund plenty of other things that people will dispute that need funding

Ok, it's a healthy viable fetus but is it viable for that 12yr old girl to be having it?

[dirtydog]

Originally Posted by Bear

anti IVF (we're overpopulated already, and there's loads of unwanted kids. If you want one get one of them!) and therefore pro adoption.

If only adopting a child was easy as your thread makes it out to be.

Originally Posted by dirtydog

If only adopting a child was easy as your thread makes it out to be.

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