Damn. Another 3 points then.

Originally Posted by LK-SV

I wouldn't say buying a fast car is any different to buying a fast bike !!

But that's about the size of your bank balance not your level of competence. And 4 wheels on a sports car will be waaaay more manageable than the skill needed to handle a high-performance sportsbike.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by CoolGirl

But that's about the size of your bank balance not your level of competence. And 4 wheels on a sports car will be waaaay more manageable than the skill needed to handle a high-performance sportsbike.

That is question of use though.

Drive a proper hot car after 5 lessons and you will stall it every time. Drive a GSXR1000 after CBT and you'll be fine unless you disrespect it and die. DIEEEEE I TELL UUU

You've all completely missed the point .....my poiny is you buy a nice car you're a ***** (whether you've done tracks in it or not) ...but you buy a fast bike and its acceptable (here) - nothing to do with anything else - Forget it though, and keep wearing your silly bright romper suits, and fitting noisy exhauts !! * sticks tongue out* Lol .....

Sorry bout the points...coulda been worse though.

I don't reckon anybody knows what real awareness on the road is until they've ridden a motorbike. Well for me thats true anyway, and now when in my cage, I attempt to maintain the same level of awareness and adopt many of the same principles as if I were riding. I would have been ignorant to such constant concentration in my pre-biking years.

Also agree with the earlier statement that you shouldn't slate 78 in a 50 for being dangerous necessarily. No doubt points deserved, but many a 50 roads out there that are practically motorways - perhaps the cop felt this, and didn't pursue it further.

Originally Posted by LK-SV

LOL ....

4 Months riding the SV .... but 15 years on the roads, many in high performance cars .... (Lotus Elise, Audi TT Quattro, Audi 3.2 V6 Quattro) ..... its all the same

.... and your point was ??

My point was, in many circumstances, speed limits become largely irrelevant.

For example, on the A2 in the middle of the day, on a sunny day in August, a 3 or 4 lane carriageway, with a central reservation and essentially motorway conditions and a 40 - 50mph speed limit in many places. Now, there is no reason, other than legal that a motorcycle could not be doing 70mph down this section of road safely, on a clear, dry day.

However, take another day such as today, where the road has frozen and it has been snowing. In many places the prescribed 30mile an hour limit would be a huge hazard to ride/drive at.

It's all about observation & sense, don't ride/drive faster than you can see, or the conditions allow. It can even be down to how you are feeling, some days you will see everything, other days you need to slow up a bit because your reactions aren't as quick or you aren't visualizing everything you normally would. It happens to everyone, don't think it doesn't.

Dan

Sorry but I don't see any difference between driving an artic,truck,van,car,sports car,or riding a bike, sports bike or twist and go,they all demand your full concentration to the best of your ability.
The individual skill levels regarding driving each type may vary but road awareness to other road users is exactly the same irrelevant to the vehicle you drive or ride
As far as I am concerned it is never the vehicle that is the problem ,its the driver/rider.
Yes,we can all have slips of concentration,sometimes it may only be a motoring offense ,other times it may result in an accident.
ANY person who is accident and offense free after 45years and 3 or 4 million miles is a better driver than me.

[5hort5]

debate debate debate,

Unlucky on the points D but I agree with your sentiments.

[Stu]

Fizzy Fish for President

Originally Posted by LK-SV

You've all completely missed the point ......but you buy a fast bike and its acceptable (here) - and keep wearing your silly bright romper suits,..

Wow, I don't think you could have missed the point of Yorkie Chris any further than that if you'd tried

Oh, and for those that don't know it, this section of road is far from Motorway standard (narrow lanes and sometimes shortish, or non existant, slip roads) for that reason it is 50...although I don't think anyone would believe me if I tried to justify it, having been stopped on the same road the week before for 110 (a little bit further south in the 70) when the Officer used his common sense (wasn't that what you urged us to use further up LK-SV?) and he let me off.

Originally Posted by LK-SV

Experts set rules that take in account potential road conditions, other road users (ie. the differential in speed of all users), etc, etc, etc .....

It would be nice if that were the case more often. However I know how these limits are set and and trust me it isn't quite that perfect a system.

There are far too many blanket judgements, and many decisions are made on the basis of politics, or the (IMHO) misguided view that we should forgo all enjoyment in life and limit the efficiency of the transport network in order to pursue the ideal standard of zero road casualties.

It's the same attitude that has done things like dramatically reduce the prevalence of activities/school trips for kids because of a small number of injuries/deaths. I really do feel for parents in that situation BUT the reaction needs to be in proportion. Instead the fear culture sets in and every decision is made to be on the safe side.

And the icing on the cake is that (as has been said) they then set a limit for the lowest common denominator of human common sense/alertness.

And the scientists who carry out the research? Well they would be the same people who made a decision about whether bikers can wear dark visors by driving around in a car with a lid on and seeing if they could spot a marker on the ground. I rest my case...

Originally Posted by LK-SV

I'm not saying stick to the speed limits rigidly .... but use a bit of common sense ....

That would be the common sense that has kept me uninjured during 12 years of riding then?*

Originally Posted by LK-SV

I could go on .... but fear only time and experience, not my ramblings will make some people change how they view the roads we all share

Funny, time and experience has only strengthened my own opinion and not the other way around...

LK-SV - you are of course entitled to your opinion about the matter, but I just happen to disagree...









* large piece of wood touched

Originally Posted by Stu

Fizzy Fish for President

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