CBT - does it do the job?

[Mej]

Originally Posted by fizzwheel

I still see shocking riding regardless of the age of the rider or whether they are on a scooter or not.
1. I was invicable
2. I knew better than anybody else did

+1 i seen some pretty shocking riding by someone on a Vmax down on holes bay the other day.

and until my mate died i thought i was invincible, but after i was like, push bike for me now until i got a car a month later.

just the way it is u dont realise until its too late. but i still think it needs to be better.

Originally Posted by orose

The question I've got to ask is how many of the people commenting actually had no previous experience or knowledge of driving or riding before taking CBT. I can't say I was amongst those who did, as I held a car licence before starting on bikes.

I did my CBT at 16, though I was no stranger to motorbikes off road, and not really any stranger to traffic having ridden a pushbike to school for the previous 5 years and the in later teenage years that was 6.5 miles each way across busy Blackpool traffic & main roads. The only "training" I ever did was cycling proficiency.

Three accidents I had in 18 months my 50cc MT5 were: (1) lowsiding during a right turn on a patch of diesel, (2) swerving past the rear end of a car to filter past it, just as it hit the brakes and I caught my clutch lever on the rear wing, and (3) hitting the deck after locking up front wheel in a emergency stop after a car pulled out on me. All lack of experience stuff. I didn't lark about like an idiot on the road, but did have a habit of ripping up Blackpool beach.

I think the CBT is OK for a 50cc bike/moped, as actually you can't travel that much faster or do that much more damage than you can on a pushbike, and we're not going to start introducing a license for those.

I think you should get a bit more training before being let loose on a 125 though. Up in Scotland I came across a fatal accident one day which had been a teenager who lost it on a bend on his YZF-R125. Those things can do 80 mph and the kids get them up to that speed then try to follow the adult on the R6 in front through the next bend. Even a CG125 can get you up to 65mph.

[Mej]

my ped was pretty nippy, it could just about manage 55 at it was a 50cc.

In the UK the Speedfight 50 comes by law as a restricted scooter, earning it the category of a 'Moped'. It is therfore possible to derestrict giving better performance and economy.
Here's what you can expect. Level of restriction Top speed on a level road Fully restricted 34 mph, Removal of speed limiter 48 mph, + Removal of power limiter 54 mph


i did know this is what happend to it, i just thought it was a fast ped and my god was it noisy!!

[timwilky]

some training is better than none. I watched some of my daughter's CBT and to be honest 90% there had never ridden any sort of motorcycle before. So good it gave them some experience of the controls before they hit the road in anger.

I would however have said 50% had never been on the road at all. Those were the 16/17 year olds. Excluding the idiot who did it on his own ped, rode there and when asked by the instructor when his current CBT expired said he hadn't got one.

The sad fact these ones have never even ridden a push bike on the road, they have no idea of position, forward planning, road/lane discipline and that you are very likely to get hurt if you feck up.

I personally think the CBT gives the trainee the basics to ride safely. It does not equip them to pass a test. However, any more than the 4-6 hours the CBT takes would cost more than most would be willing to pay and be a disincentive to people doing it even as a taster to motorcycling.

[Mej]

you can derestrict a RS125 and that will be capable of well over a 100.

my cbt worked it was my first time on the road and i found it useful to learn how to control a ped, one chav learnt why never to wear trackies on a bike, a 20 stone fat ******* learnt that a 125 does have the power to flip over and put you on your back if your not careful, he said "them things would never have the power to flip me over" instructor replies with "ok, jump on it, twist the throttle alway back and drop the clutch in first and we will call the ambulance for you" he didnt twist the throttle all the way back the cheater, still landed on his back tho.

When i did my second cbt for a geared bike i had to learn gears again after off-roading i knew them but i had been on ped for over a year so thought it was best to redo my cbt, pull away, stall, repeat for about an hour before getting used to the stupid cg that hated me. And i must be heavy i could only get a cg up to 60mph not 65 one things for sure wearing gloves need to be made law, its not pretty seeing the amount of blood left behind just from your hands(turned after a chav came off his ped never tested this myself) everyone should listen to the dealerships when you say i have a 50cc ped being delivered later today what safety gear do i need? Heres a Helmet, Gloves and jacket all for £120... also always wear boots and jeans as they will be enough on a 50 but when you get anything bigger you need more protection on your legs.

Originally Posted by sunshine

jeans, as they will be enough on a 50 but when you get anything bigger you need more protection on your legs.

No they won't. Jeans will rip at 30mph easy. But then I never wore anything more than that and if it's OK to ride a pushbike at 30mph in Lycra!

Jeans won't do anything except protect you from maybe a drop or low speed fall (at least, more than a pair of shorts would). Don't know if you've ever crashed a ped whilst wearing just jeans sunshine - a mate of mine did in the rain. Goodbye patches of skin and the jeans, hello pain, bruises and a long time taking the bus in.

30mph you can go fast than that on a push bike on a level road i was flashed by gatso's all the time on our push bikes.
and i know it only takes 3 seconds to get from skin to bone and 30mph but jeans are stronger than any other clothing worn by local chavs.
I have always aimed to get keep rubber side down and never had more than low speed spills im happy to say.

[Mej]

i once heard that at 30mph, you loose an inch a skin a second, something tells me jeans arnt gonna be much better.

Originally Posted by sunshine

30mph you can go fast than that on a push bike on a level road i was flashed by gatso's all the time on our push bikes.
and i know it only takes 3 seconds to get from skin to bone and 30mph but jeans are stronger than any other clothing worn by local chavs.

that is true but, you would much better of with some draggin jeans or something along those lines.