small diesel cars, way of the future?

Your Saab problem is it shares the engine with Vauxhall. Dual Mass fly wheel, swirl valves, EGR Valve, to name but a few. The older engine is more reliable. VX CDTi and Saab TiD have lots of problems

Originally Posted by G

I imagine it falls into the £480 a year to tax bracket at the very least, I'm sure it get less than 30mpg and it emmisions will probably be over 330g of co2.

To put it into context my dirty (it's not), smelly (it doesn't actually), smokey (not one bit) diesel fiesta gives out 105g co2 (5g off being tax exempt and only 6g more than a prius) can achieve 78mpg and costs £35 a year to tax.

I think owning the same uneconomcal, high emission petrol 4x4 for 8 years you are probably slightly out of touch with the reality of modern day cars and the options available. So your opinions from your experience could be considered limited, I would wager the people your talking too have blinkered views too. I've had 8 cars in that time and have looked into it alot... Almost to geek levels.

Tax - £210
CO2 - 290
Mpg - 25

I didnt say your car was dirty or smokey, but it DOES smell, trust me diesels DO have a smell which I happen to not like. As ive said its like burning plastic. And you do see diesels getting smokey when they accelerate too, but how would the driver see from the drivers seat ?

All this talk of CO2 levels and how the Govt work out what to charge is crap anyway. An old retired guy drives a 4 Litre Jag and does 5000 miles a year but pays £480 road tax, then the rep with his 2 litre mundaneo does 30,000 miles a year and pays £100, or whatever. Who puts out more emissions in 1 year ?

Just because I haven`t bought a new car in 8 years doesn`t mean i have no interest, or opinion.

Although I do agree that driving style plays a lot in emissions, fuel economy and all that stuff too.

Originally Posted by Miss_Undaztood

Tax - £210
CO2 - 290
Mpg - 25

I didnt say your car was dirty or smokey, but it DOES smell, trust me diesels DO have a smell which I happen to not like. As ive said its like burning plastic. And you do see diesels getting smokey when they accelerate too, but how would the driver see from the drivers seat ?

All this talk of CO2 levels and how the Govt work out what to charge is crap anyway. An old retired guy drives a 4 Litre Jag and does 5000 miles a year but pays £480 road tax, then the rep with his 2 litre mundaneo does 30,000 miles a year and pays £100, or whatever. Who puts out more emissions in 1 year ?

Just because I haven`t bought a new car in 8 years doesn`t mean i have no interest, or opinion.

Although I do agree that driving style plays a lot in emissions, fuel economy and all that stuff too.

Without trackers you'll never measure mileage but at least by going on Co2 levels you get some control.

Originally Posted by The Basket

A Small Diesel...such as the C3...as mentioned...

Makes more sense than a Prius....in terms of greenery.

The concept that a Citroen C1 Diesel will work out more expensive than a 4x4 petrol boggles the old brainbox...Ever had to buy tyres for a 4x4...

Surely you would compare like for like, petrol C1 vs diesel C1, petrol 4x4 vs diesel 4x4 ? Or am I missing something ?

And yes, in 8 years I have bought tyres, I think they were 220 for 4 Dunlop A/T`s.

And yeah, Prius is a bit of a gimmick, you have to drive really careful to get much benefit, if any. So even I would rather have a small diesel in that case.

Originally Posted by thefallenangel

Without trackers you'll never measure mileage but at least by going on Co2 levels you get some control.

The only thing that emissions are directly related to is the amount of fuel you use.

Originally Posted by Miss_Undaztood

Surely you would compare like for like, petrol C1 vs diesel C1, petrol 4x4 vs diesel 4x4 ? Or am I missing something ?

And yes, in 8 years I have bought tyres, I think they were 220 for 4 Dunlop A/T`s.

And yeah, Prius is a bit of a gimmick, you have to drive really careful to get much benefit, if any. So even I would rather have a small diesel in that case.

Well any diesel TBH but the smaller cars seem to get a big benefit with the little to no tax, and silly high MPG.

Originally Posted by Miss_Undaztood

The only thing that emissions are directly related to is the amount of fuel you use.

Scrap road tax and increase fuel taxes?

Yeah the benefit of diesels is possibly greater with the smaller cars.
But I still stand by my first point to pick a car you like and work out the actual numbers based on your annual mileage.

Originally Posted by Miss_Undaztood

Yeah the benefit of diesels is possibly greater with the smaller cars.
But I still stand by my first point to pick a car you like and work out the actual numbers based on your annual mileage.

No i'd still say diesel over petrol unless you want it for sports usage.

Originally Posted by Miss_Undaztood

Yeah the benefit of diesels is possibly greater with the smaller cars.
But I still stand by my first point to pick a car you like and work out the actual numbers based on your annual mileage.

Worked for me.
Pug 206. Petrol engine that'll get 40mpg on a good day, or 2.0 turbo diesel that does 50+ at (my) best and has never been lower than 43mpg.