Well im the luckiest man alive atm

[steveg]

**** happens

Bike meets are not my cup of tea as attracks a lot of power rangers and also old bill

You win some , you lose some

Cheers Steve

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Fire engines don't hold that much corner speed

Tell that to the guy who got mangled by one a year or two on a road in my area.

http://forums.sv650.org/showthread.php?t=96573

Plus I don't trust anything to protect me from cars ESPECIALLY road markings. The docile blind tossers ignore "give way" and "stop" lines. All you have is your wits!

Smooth and fast progress, overtake where it is safe. Everything else is detail. Whether you are smug git with no points or whatever...

No need to get personal! As I've already said, I was making observations from my own perspective. Maybe next time I'll not contribute to the org.

I'm all up for smooth and fast progress, it's the way I've been trained, but I won't risk anything if all the circumstances don't suit. Road markings and signage are a damn good indication of a road, and if you don't trust them, more fool you.

Perhaps If I were to ride that road, I would feel differently, but seeing it in that view, I don't think I'd go for an overtake on that stretch.

Either way, I forget who was actually riding this road and got the book thrown at him. Whoever it was, bad luck, but would it be fair to say you'd think twice about an overtake in similar circumstances? If so, then the stop has proved it's worth.

I don't understand why you think that attitude applies to my case or to that of Phil's. I don't think that I have to overtake everything but where it is safe and reasonable to do so I will overtake. As a general rule I do not overtake on solid lines and I certainly would not have done were the lines solid when I began the manoeuvre.

As for the safety part, I would be more than confident in saying that should a car have appeared coming around the impending corner at 80mph I would have had plenty time to move out of the way and not inconvenience any of the vehicles around me. You seem to have made the assumption that I was riding like a man possessed, I cannot work out why? I was 'chillaxed'!

My bad, I was meaning those comments more in a general view than directed at anyone in particular. I'm sure you were riding within your own limits and confidence.

Originally Posted by Nelson

Ok Ralph, you win, I'll take my clean licence away and go make my observations elsewhere.

Well done for keeping your license clean. I have no issue with anybody who wants to adhere to DWL or any other law, so long as they don't try to tell me that the law is always right, and that somebody else is dangerous as soon as they break it.

DWL's, and the carpet bombing of 40 and 50 mph limit signs on roads that have been "safe" at 60mph since the 70's, are just very obvious examples of where the law can be an ar$e.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Nelson

No need to get personal!

Originally Posted by Nelson

Road markings and signage are usually a damn good indication of a road, but unfortunately they are sometimes misused or the right thought hasn't gone into them in every case

Corrected for you

Originally Posted by ophic

Do you like being called a smug git?

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Well done for keeping your license clean. I have no issue with anybody who wants to adhere to DWL or any other law, so long as they don't try to tell me that the law is always right, and that somebody else is dangerous as soon as they break it.

DWL's, and the carpet bombing of 40 and 50 mph limit signs on roads that have been "safe" at 60mph since the 70's, are just very obvious examples of where the law can be an ar$e.

Excellent, can we be friends agian?

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Nelson

No need to get personal! As I've already said, I was making observations from my own perspective. Maybe next time I'll not contribute to the org.

I'm all up for smooth and fast progress, it's the way I've been trained, but I won't risk anything if all the circumstances don't suit. Road markings and signage are a damn good indication of a road, and if you don't trust them, more fool you.

Perhaps If I were to ride that road, I would feel differently, but seeing it in that view, I don't think I'd go for an overtake on that stretch.

Either way, I forget who was actually riding this road and got the book thrown at him. Whoever it was, bad luck, but would it be fair to say you'd think twice about an overtake in similar circumstances? If so, then the stop has proved it's worth.

It is not personal, just forum

Personally I see guy who slavishly obeys all markings as fool. I prefer to decide whether something is safe based on what I can see.

I do not know that road, but I would like you to come down here and see some of the ridiculous DWLs and 30/40/50 limits. They truly are mental.

That last bit just sounds patronising. All it proves to me is the plod are quite happy to stop you for a safe overtake. There is big difference between clipping a DWL by a yard or 10 and going around a bend on the wrong side of the road.

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

It is not personal, just forum

Personally I see guy who slavishly obeys all markings as fool. I prefer to decide whether something is safe based on what I can see.

I do not know that road, but I would like you to come down here and see some of the ridiculous DWLs and 30/40/50 limits. They truly are mental.

That last bit just sounds patronising. All it proves to me is the plod are quite happy to stop you for a safe overtake. There is big difference between clipping a DWL by a yard or 10 and going around a bend on the wrong side of the road.

But road markings are often there to protect you from things you can't see. In the same way that advanced riders/drivers read the road, they also read the signage and markings as part of that road. It all adds up to one big picture, and if you're happy to disregard them, then that's fine, just don't expect Mr Plod to agree with you. If they did, then everyone would disregard them, and there'd be fatals every day.

Ultimately, it's the plods view that counts, even if it is old fashioned and institutionalised.

Again, I mean nowt personal, but I'm still fairly sure that if you get punished for doing something, however minor, you'll think twice about doing it again.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Nelson

But road markings are often there to protect you from things you can't see. In the same way that advanced riders/drivers read the road, they also read the signage and markings as part of that road. It all adds up to one big picture, and if you're happy to disregard them, then that's fine, just don't expect Mr Plod to agree with you. If they did, then everyone would disregard them, and there'd be fatals every day.

Ultimately, it's the plods view that counts, even if it is old fashioned and institutionalised.

Again, I mean nowt personal, but I'm still fairly sure that if you get punished for doing something, however minor, you'll think twice about doing it again.

Sure, which is why a DWL is a useful advisory. IMO "advanced" riding is knowing what you cannot see. For example if you can see an unbroken hedgerow, then there is no hazard. If there is a break, it may be a junction, which you should account for.
Point I make is these idiots have splurged that much paint everywhere as to make the system completely worthless. You can't tell the useful signage from the utterly pointless.

Sure you will think twice about doing it. But that is not the stop "proving its worth". All it has done is make people think "what a bunch of c***s Birmingham police are".