Who supports the Unions uprising?

[punyXpress]

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

They haven't finalised where the cuts are going to be yet...

That's why THEY are going in for pre-emptive strikes.

We have just had a team meeting - there are 80 people in the legal team here at Liverpool City Council, and the management are looking to lose 16 - 20 posts. Some will be voluntary, rest compulsory. We were told that there will be a revised structure plan, to be complete by 30 September. Also of course that everyone will have to be flexible etc etc etc. So everyone is still waiting...

Originally Posted by Ed

So everyone is still waiting...

That's right on the money.

We are being told to plan for 25% budget cut-backs but the comprehensive spending review (inc LA grants from central govt) isn't due until October.

There's a fair amount of scaremongering going on and both sides are guilty of it.

Let's wait and see, eh?

See, now that's the reasoning I don't understand.

If someone told you there's a chance you were going to be shot in a months time would you hang about?

So why wait and see? If you're on of the unfortunate ones, by waiting for the axe to fall you've got all of the other unfortunates to compete with.

If I were in a public sector position and there was the threat of cutbacks looming, my CV would be on the table of 500 other employers before the others in the office had even had the thought.

Why wait to be pushed? Jump!

C

[dizzyblonde]

well as OMD said on the BBC brekkie show t'other morning

Strikes, cuts and OMD...its like we've never been away

Welcome back to the 80s.

This has been on the cards for years, theres been an undercurrent of public uprising for as far as I can remember, let them get on with it, people needs their say, and if this is the way to do it, so be it.

We as a nation are already crippled by the pillocks at the top, so we may as well shout and bring it to its knees, its already on its way anyway.

Anyone got a giant plughole to wash this mess down??

I am in an engineering union. With laws in place these days they are almost powerless, mainly since Maggies demise. Having said that they did need sorting out what with prats like Scargill.(ask your dad) I am only still a member in case I need help at work with any disciplinary action(ask anyone who works for First Bus) and they negotiate group pay deals rather than individual. Other than that its a waste of time in my opinion!

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by Whitty

Having said that they did need sorting out what with prats like Scargill.(ask your dad) I am only still a member in case I need help at work with any disciplinary action(ask anyone who works for First Bus) and they negotiate group pay deals rather than individual. Other than that its a waste of time in my opinion!

LOL, ask yer dad? I'm old enough to remember the 80s..just And Peg was there being a gloomy goth!.
However a lot of folk on here these days are not so old, so all this Union palaver is quite a new concept.
I'm in the Union at work, but only because Willy Wonkas are complete baffoons, and couldn't organise a cake making contest in a chocolate factory, and the Village people(office workers and HR) are completely useless and I may as well do their job on top of mine!
Union is pretty much hand in hand with management which has been shown on many occasions, so pretty useless, but is useful when the company is defo wrong and I am right!
However, I've pretty much had enough of all the bull I've been watching in hospital of late, wether it be tax payments, org threads on being paid too much and demands to pay it back, BBC reports on anything from teaching to unions, to spending money on overseas aid and back again.

To top it all my midwife came today, and said that there were cuts coming there way, now they're already understaffed, not enough of them, underpaid etc etc ...so where the hell do they make cuts? A very very dangerous idea to be playing with in this particular front line area of the NHS

SO let them get on with it, no good having a nice happy debate, and not getting a point across, may as well go in hard and shout. Only way to get a public say. My money and your money is slowly getting taken away, and I'd prefer my family to have it, than some pillock at Westminster, who can't put it where it matters.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

...and the Village people(office workers and HR) are completely useless and I may as well do their job on top of mine!...

Just as an aside, interesting to note how absolutely anyone on any shop floor, anywhere, knows far more than than the management about the managements job...

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

My money and your money is slowly getting taken away, and I'd prefer my family to have it, than some pillock at Westminster, who can't put it where it matters.

This lot are trying to clear up the mess brought about by new labour and associates who managed to stealth tax everything and still spend more besides?

I don't think bringing anything "to its knees" or washing anything down a plughole will help. Unless you are proposing some sort of revolution led by the masses to bring living standards back to the level of the 1880s instead?

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Just as an aside, interesting to note how absolutely anyone on any shop floor, anywhere, knows far more than than the management about the managements job...

Isn't it so. Monsieur Carnivore could write a book on it!

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

This lot are trying to clear up the mess brought about by new labour and associates who managed to stealth tax everything and still spend more besides?

I don't think bringing anything "to its knees" or washing anything down a plughole will help. Unless you are proposing some sort of revolution led by the masses to bring living standards back to the level of the 1880s instead?

They may think they are trying to clear it up, but they're making a right b&lls of it as far as Mrs Joe Bloggs here is concerned.
As for the rest, when you own your home, work yer knackers off, have kids etc, you kinda get a very cynical view on this sort of subject, and IMO rightly so too.
At the moment Chris you are in a boat that you should count yourself lucky to be in, live with the olds, don't have a PAYE job, don't pay tax, utility bills, don't have kids, have a string free life
On the flip side(as an example) you could be one of those thats had a proper good wage for a few ye.ars paid everything you've been asked, but doesn't have that now, and is hoping and praying you don't get a tax letter with bad news, when you have a new family to feed.

These people don't particularly like what is portrayed on the little box in the corner of the room. It frightens them(is it overhyped hysteria, who knows)
Would you rather they keep their gob shut and pay through the nose in one way shape or form, or actually have someone shout for their corner....'oi Cameron...NOOOOOO!!'

I'm not saying its the right thing to do...but what the hell would you suggest? At the moment(I'm assuming) all this extreme cutting, affects me and mine, a lot more than yourself personally, I very much doubt your folks feel happy about whats going on either, or any other hard working, tax paying family, with not a lot to throw around.