Independence referendum..

Spoil what? A referendum on independence?

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Since when did someone from Germany have a say?

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

Seriously. How long have I been on the forum? I'll let you into a wee secret...*whisper mode* I'm not really from Germany...

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Seriously...I've no idea how long you've been on the forum but I go on what I've seen and read from you - bumping your gums and sniping about this year's GM when you're not actually going - hypocritical

You might not "be" from Germany but if you're "domiciled" there then you didn't don't have a say and preaching from afar is as hypocritical at its best!

Originally Posted by stuartyboy

Let MBK speak for herself. I've no knowledge of where she's from and it says Germany as her location.

As for the "secret pact" - I've had it on good authority that you're behind the secret pact trying to spoil things.

Eh? I haven't been bumping my gums about the GM? And if you look, I have provisionally booked accomodation to go but if that's the way the organiser is treating me then I don't think I will bother! I haven't moaned at all!

And I am not from, nor do I live in Germany! Even if I was, it is an internet forum and I would be perfectly entitled to express my opinion.

Stop talking about the GM on this, I have no idea what your problem is but clearly you are getting stressed over nothing. Stop the derail.

Getting back on track laddies and gents.

Just on a ramble, but here's my two penny's worth.

I'd vote yes, depending on if there was a opt back in perhaps with some penaties to be paid back into the union, if ti goes pear shaped.

If the UK government are looking for cuts then saving x amount of MP's would be a good start? Then what about all the other countries seeking independance NI, Wales, could it be seen as weakening the UK adn ripe for a takeover.

As most have said, I'd expect that not much would change early on so why not, nothing ventured nothing gained.

In future, if England default's on it's debt would we have to bale them out?

S

I'm definitely on the fence.
I'm worried about it going pear shaped but I do think we could hold our own. though then comes the debate about joining the EU as a seperate country. I would worried about the small minority of nationallist that want Scots for the Scots.
There's also many questions over forces emergency service etc etc. Which we don't know the answer for
and I'm not sure we would get the clear and transparent info we need to make the informed decision.
I can't see them telling us we would need to pay higher taxes so we can get ourselves stable.
Though if we can kick the 3rd/4th cycle benefits spongers out and provide extra secure mental homes for those with paranoia /bi polar what ever its called today - it may sway me!

My heart says yes but head says no. - I would want all the fact

A decent watch if you've got 30 minute to spare to watch an entertaining and informative documentary about independance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwy2VcBg4sU

Originally Posted by Nelson

A decent watch if you've got 30 minute to spare to watch an entertaining and informative documentary about independance:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bwy2VcBg4sU

You forgot to say one sided.

[Messie]

Why doesn't anyone ask if the English want to be independent of Scotland, or Wales or Northern Ireland, or any of the Commonwealth countries come to think of it?

Originally Posted by Messie

Why doesn't anyone ask if the English want to be independent of Scotland, or Wales or Northern Ireland, or any of the Commonwealth countries come to think of it?

Because the English colonised and took over other countries. So what, now that they don't want them they just discard them??

[Bibio]

they could. but they would have to hand over the administrative powers to another one of the remaining country's. they could also get rid of the act of union with agreement of the other country's so everyone in the union would end up independent.

Originally Posted by The Basket

You forgot to say one sided.

Of course it's one sided...