One less thief.

[timwilky]

Originally Posted by Seandesy1

Playing devils advocate, but someone died, therefore the arrest of those involved is the quickest and easiest way of establishing exactly what the course of events was.

Whose to say this chap wasnt running away and then the householders got him and stabbed him to death? Theres reasonable force and then theres excessive force. Smashing someone round the head with a bat whilst in your house might be reasonable, doing it whilst they are running away or cornered in one room might not be.

Giving people free reign to smash/stab/beat someone to death without the fear of investigation is the start of a long slippery slope.

Playing devils advocate here myself. You don't attempt to burgle a house with your mates, you can spend the night at home with your loved ones. Don't do the crime if you don't want to lie on a slab.

Believe me everyone has the instinct to kill, it just needs bringing to the surface. Been there and suppressed the urge after 3 hours of looking for the scroat/vandal/thief.

Maybe if we applied victorian punishment to petty thieves their offending ways would be nipped in the bud.

On my property without permission you have abdicated any rights

If someone is in my castle uninvited, they deserve what they get. Its not rocket science. Death is a high price to pay but touch my property and thats what you may get. Minimum force or twenty stab wounds they were not where good boys should be at that time of day.

Originally Posted by Rossie

Well I've a baseball bat beside the bed and as the saying goes "I don't know Karate, but I know Kerr-azy and I'm willing to use it".

Lol made me chuckle this did, are you a black belt in Kerr-azy? I may have to give it a go!!

It sounds as if there is lot more to this. Four masked men commit a burglary before midnight???

[Kenzie]

I agree that this country is completely geared to the criminal. You never have this troube stateside because if you rob someone you know full well you may get shot by the owner. You step on my property univited with the intention of robbing me all your human rights should be revoked. All too often I see in the news where someone has stood up to these scum and has had the full weight of the law brought against them while the "poor little crim" who has had a hard life and his mother didn't love him enough gets a slap on the wrist. I'm sick of it and there needs to be change. Guy gets electrocuted stealing copper from a substation, family says he was a good guy etc and didn't deserve to die. Well maybe if he wasn't a theiving pikey he would still be alive! Going to leave it at that as I may rant for a while as things like this make my blood boil.

Originally Posted by Kenzie

I agree that this country is completely geared to the criminal. You never have this troube stateside because if you rob someone you know full well you may get shot by the owner. You step on my property univited with the intention of robbing me all your human rights should be revoked. All too often I see in the news where someone has stood up to these scum and has had the full weight of the law brought against them while the "poor little crim" who has had a hard life and his mother didn't love him enough gets a slap on the wrist. I'm sick of it and there needs to be change. Guy gets electrocuted stealing copper from a substation, family says he was a good guy etc and didn't deserve to die. Well maybe if he wasn't a theiving pikey he would still be alive! Going to leave it at that as I may rant for a while as things like this make my blood boil.

We had a young lad around here who stole an off road bike with his mate on the back with no helmets, driving around on the road with no lights at 2:00am and then he came off and died. The local paper said it was tragic and he was described as cheeky. I describe it as a good thing he killed himself before he carried on stealing bikes and killed some innocent pedestrian, if someone stole my bike I'd pray to god they killed themselves

[Kenzie]

Usually when they are killed the parents come out and say "oh little Timmy was such a good boy, we don't know why he would do something like this" or they say he has adhd and learning problems etc. It's just bad parenting when it comes down to it. If they can't dicipline their children when they do wrong they won't fear the consequences. When I were younger (lol coming from a 27 year old) I knew if I did wrong I would get a hiding from my dad. There is none of this now and the little buggers run wild saying if you touch me I'll call social on you.

Wowser. If you play with fire, expect to get burnt!

Originally Posted by martin15s

It sounds as if there is lot more to this. Four masked men commit a burglary before midnight???

^^^^^^^^
What he said.

[timwilky]

And it turns out the "victim" of the alleged murder or one of the alleged perpetrators of the attempted burglary was already on bail for (yes you have guessed it ) burglary

starting to sound as if he was at it again