How do you go fast?

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

Squirrel...I have to say that I am glad Jonboy has made comment exactly on the lines as I was thinking in response to you. Sorry my friend but you are way off mark with what you are saying there.

How so?

Why do you think a bikes more difficult to turn at higher speed?

Squirrel...it is just your comment about pushing as hard as you like on the bars at speed with little potential for problems.That taken in isolation could prove deadly for the inexperienced rider. The possibility of generating a tank slapper or other unstabilising affects on the bike by doing that at the wrong time or place, especially if the rider panicked at what he had created.
Perhaps it was just a question of how it was written?

Originally Posted by Peter Henry

I understood his point but the wording was terrible. Push or pull a bar hard at speed and you'll be a

You're probably right, I shouldn't have used such strong wording.

That, and it probably means I should slow down a bit

Jon ...I agree, I know Jordan was well meaning,it is just that sometimes misread information can be a very dangerous thing.

Originally Posted by Flamin_Squirrel

It's true, the faster you go the more stable the bike becomes.

No no, that wasn't my point, "In fact, at any decent speed... ...you HAVE to conciously counter-steer to make it change direction."

You're suggesting (strongly) that unless you consciously counter-steer at speed (using both hands on the same bar? ) the bike will simply carry on in a straight line.

Now before you chatter back (wot squirrel's do, yes? ) let's wait till mid evening and I can then have a few beers and enjoy this to the max, and maybe have a play with my prey




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Jonboy....Don't be so wicked!

nice...

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Originally Posted by jonboy

No no, that wasn't my point, "In fact, at any decent speed... ...you HAVE to conciously counter-steer to make it change direction."

You're suggesting (strongly) that unless you consciously counter-steer at speed (using both hands on the same bar? ) the bike will simply carry on in a straight line.

Now before you chatter back (wot squirrel's do, yes? ) let's wait till mid evening and I can then have a few beers and enjoy this to the max, and maybe have a play with my prey




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Hopefully two things that we can agree on:

1) At speed, the bike will be inherantly stable.
2) At speed, to get the bike to change direction at all, counter-steering must be used, concious or not.

If you want to get a bike to change direction rapidly at high speed, then you have to very conciously move the bars, and with a certain amount of effort.

I know this because my commute incorperates a strech of roa.. er, test track, so I've had the chance to practice