Migrant Labour

Just to throw a cat amongst the pigeons....

...who has the right to say that a person shouldn't go wherever the hell they like? If I fancied working in Russia, Dubai, France or wherever, why should I be stopped? We like to reap the benefits of the 'free market' capitalist system when it inhales and we ride the up wave. Stands to reason that it also has a downside at times.

When a migrant worker (emphasise the word worker) arrives in a country, they are a part of that country. The government of a nation state doesn't exist to 'serve' people who have a certain birth status. The fact that the migrant is working means that they are, by definition, a contributory part of the national interest.

Its diffrent I will give u that. Same as any job has its good points and bad. Most ppl just show up. no course's My Chief engineer is a chef.
I finished my last boat because 2 day off in 2 years. thats 2 as in 363 days work. So now I work on smaller boats and have the whole winter as a normal person.
You can travel all over, pay is ok. but you dont pay tax. well not for the last 15 years.
But the best partis. It is only you holding you back. Want to be the engineer/chef/captain go for it. Get in to IT. be a helicopter pilot yep. no ticket just do it.
Some of the new boats are now 170 mtrs crews of 70 or so. Warshhips are about 130 mtrs. The rich are getting richer. more boats are being made and we have major problems getting crew now. In fact i think some of the crew agents try and get the RN guys.

As long as the "new" worker pay's his way. and is not just getting away from the law in their own home.

Originally Posted by eviltwin

Just to throw a cat amongst the pigeons....

...who has the right to say that a person shouldn't go wherever the hell they like? If I fancied working in Russia, Dubai, France or wherever, why should I be stopped? We like to reap the benefits of the 'free market' capitalist system when it inhales and we ride the up wave. Stands to reason that it also has a downside at times.

When a migrant worker (emphasise the word worker) arrives in a country, they are a part of that country. The government of a nation state doesn't exist to 'serve' people who have a certain birth status. The fact that the migrant is working means that they are, by definition, a contributory part of the national interest.

I beg to differ. The British government is that, British - not a registered charity. Whilst it is in our national interest to boost the economy with workers, the additional money all ends up in the hands of the mega rich anyway, what the economy does doesn't affect us. I'd rather any day of the week that the people in Britain were given the jobs - even if they do a poorer job because a nation full of unemployed uneducated brits with no hope in life sponging off the rest of us because we recruited in some skilled foreign workers is not going to help.

In an ideal world we could send the brits away as a trade.

More cats & pigeons...

...strange...plenty of talk about Polish plumbers. No mention of Gurkhas

If the ppl do a poor job the produce becomes low grade. No one buys it company down the tubes. But even now the new workers of the 60/70's will no longer do what they did before, So new/new workers are needed.
Do all young workers start off on the same foot, look at the amount of imports that work in bars and servering jobs in london. we all know London is pricey but they all manage, why can't the locals. The locals must have an advantage over the imports as they arrive with very little and need to buy it all.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

the additional money all ends up in the hands of the mega rich anyway, what the economy does doesn't affect us.

Whoa there. I note you live in South Wales. Let's forget Patagonia...Wales enjoyed and supported a huge immigrant population - I enjoyed the legacy, with the nice ice cream in Cardiff, when I lived there.

As for money ending up in the hands of the mega rich, I also enjoyed free prescriptions until the age of 25 - courtesy of the tax pot!

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

I'd rather any day of the week that the people in Britain were given the jobs - even if they do a poorer job because a nation full of unemployed uneducated brits with no hope in life sponging off the rest of us because we recruited in some skilled foreign workers is not going to help.

Surely, you can see the problem with this?

If you or a loved one was critically ill and you could choose between two doctors, one being a mediocre British doctor, the other an excellent African/Asian/Polish etc doctor, who would you choose?

I can't speak for any other profession, but definitely the majority of immigrants who work in health care are here at the invitation of the British government.

Originally Posted by melody

Surely, you can see the problem with this?

If you or a loved one was critically ill and you could choose between two doctors, one being a mediocre British doctor, the other an excellent African/Asian/Polish etc doctor, who would you choose?

I can't speak for any other profession, but definitely the majority of immigrants who work in health care are here at the invitation of the British government.

That's a different matter. I'd rather go to a doctor trained in a reputable country, British especially. I'm not making an argument for banning migrants, as I said earlier the one thing I like about England is that it is multicultural; so I feel comfortable saying there needs to be tabs kept for the numbers coming in.
The majority of work being taken is low payed, unskilled work as well as skilled labour work. If these workers take all of the low payed work Britains asbo classes can only expand. Whilst it could help the ecomony this is only going to happen at the expense of the lower classes in Britain. Whilst in an ideal world it would bring money to Britain, in reality it would create a large, angry, uneducated, unmotivated, crime ridden sector of society. This sector will not only make our life hell, but we'll pick up the bill for it

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Whilst in an ideal world it would bring money to Britain, in reality it would create a large, angry, uneducated, unmotivated, crime ridden sector of society. This sector will not only make our life hell, but we'll pick up the bill for it

That's happening anyway, you can't blame it on immigration.