New TV advice please you clever lot......

I was just about to order the 37" Hannspree when I thought that I'd take a look at the Richer Sounds web site and saw this in the sale:

http://www.richersounds.com/showprod...d=HITA-L37V01U

It's only available in-store, so I phoned a few of the local branches (they're open on New Years Day). Only one had any in stock but said that they were all reserved for customers. Some of the reservations ended today, so they said to try again tomorrow. So just before closing time (4pm) I drove down to the shop and asked again if they had any (there were none on display). They said that if they had one that wasn't collected by 5 mins before closing then I could have it. So I waited for 15 minutes and got one

Full 1080p HD panel and built in digital tuner for under £500 - not bad at all.

Thanks ASM...

OK this may sound like a stupid question but till you ask you dont know the answer...

Where does a surround sound system plug into on one of these lcd tv's? On my old fashioned (but broken) tv there's sockets specifically for the subwoofer & two external speakers so the whole lot is integrated into the tv. I've never seen an external surround sound system so I've no idea how they work eg does the tv's remote control the volume or do you end up with yet another remote to lose? (Yeap, been there, lost them & had to buy replacements till the kids owned up where they'd hidden them).

Mike.

[tigersaw]

Funny thing with surround sound - and invite coombest to comment on this - is delay. LCD TV's seem to have a processing delay, meaning that if you have a surround sound system hooked up to your DVD along with the TV, the sound can be slightly ahead of the picture. I'm sure this is recognised in the industry, else why would my philips DVD have an option to delay the sound, something like 1-20 milliseconds available, but its not explained fully in the manual, just mentioned regarding setting lipsync.

Originally Posted by tigersaw

Funny thing with surround sound - and invite coombest to comment on this - is delay. LCD TV's seem to have a processing delay, meaning that if you have a surround sound system hooked up to your DVD along with the TV, the sound can be slightly ahead of the picture. I'm sure this is recognised in the industry, else why would my philips DVD have an option to delay the sound, something like 1-20 milliseconds available, but its not explained fully in the manual, just mentioned regarding setting lipsync.

LCDs do seem to have a little more delay than other types of screen BUT the delay is an inherent issue with having speakers separate from the screen - NOT the screen itself! ALL screens of any type can have this issue.
This is why most surround amps (pretty much all separate amps and anything over £100) have loads of software to do this.
It's just down to knowing exactly what to do with it. It also becomes easier and much more exact with experience!
Which is why I have a job!

[tigersaw]

Originally Posted by coombest

LCDs do seem to have a little more delay than other types of screen BUT the delay is an inherent issue with having speakers separate from the screen - NOT the screen itself! ALL screens of any type can have this issue.
This is why most surround amps (pretty much all separate amps and anything over £100) have loads of software to do this.
It's just down to knowing exactly what to do with it. It also becomes easier and much more exact with experience!
Which is why I have a job!

I understand about delay due to room accoustics and speaker distances, but I still think there is a considerable delay within the LCD TV itself. The reason I discovered this is because I connected speakers to the DooVDee player, and found the sound came out of them well ahead of the same sound from the TV's own speakers. Looking at the block diagram of the TV I noticed a circuit in the audio chain labelled as 'Audio delay'.I doubt this is mentioned to people buying surround-a-sound systems, that there may well be timing issues by attaching external audio systems.Never had this problem with good old glass tellys and dolby pro logic.

If you had mega amounts of money the best would be a 35mm film projector, which the thx sound system (thats what its now I think) for watching moives, film has the best contrast ratio of all, that why its looks ace!

But eventually everything will digital in cinema uk wide, film projecters will be a thing of the past!

But as with all these it depends on how much you want to spend! Which brings me to....I think projectors are ace, I was 18 living in New York, when had a projector and watched star ship troopes on it. It was very cool, moives outside in the summer is great.

But how much would a reasonable HD home projector cost now? As for sounds systems, quality of the sound is far more important than how loud it goes! Compoment is the way ahead, but how do you get the xbox or sky to compent?

Originally Posted by tigersaw

I understand about delay due to room accoustics and speaker distances, but I still think there is a considerable delay within the LCD TV itself. The reason I discovered this is because I connected speakers to the DooVDee player, and found the sound came out of them well ahead of the same sound from the TV's own speakers. Looking at the block diagram of the TV I noticed a circuit in the audio chain labelled as 'Audio delay'.I doubt this is mentioned to people buying surround-a-sound systems, that there may well be timing issues by attaching external audio systems.Never had this problem with good old glass tellys and dolby pro logic.

There's a delay in LCD / Plasma TVs caused, at least in part, by the deinterlacing circuitry. CRT TVs don't need to deinterlace.

Originally Posted by bluethunder

But how much would a reasonable HD home projector cost now? As for sounds systems, quality of the sound is far more important than how loud it goes! Compoment is the way ahead, but how do you get the xbox or sky to compent?

The Sanyo Z5 is a reasonable HD (720p) projector.
http://www.ivojo.co.uk/sanyo-plv-z5.htm

If you want 1080p, then you're looking at nearly 2 grand, but the picture will be amazing.

Originally Posted by ASM-Forever

I'm getting one in the next few days, so i'll let you know.

Having said that i'll fit some surround sound speakers anyway.

likewise, mine shoudl be here by the end of the week, i already have my phillips surround system.,... yum... great on the Wii

Am I justbeing stupid or are you guys saying that if I buy a plasma TV (wanna do so soon) my surround will not work with it? Or should I say will be noticably ahead of the picture on TV? Or are we talking very marginal difference that is acceptable? I dont wanna spent over 1k on a TV and that realise that my surround wont work.