Advice Required Re. Potentially Harmful Gloves

Originally Posted by Lozzo

I'd suggest you read up on the following before stating again that gloves for motorcycle use don't get CE Approval.

And please tell me dear Bozzo where exactly I stated that gloves for motorcycle use don't get CE approval???

Originally Posted by Lozzo

These have you now marked down in my book as a c0ck

That coming from you is really quite amusing. During the time I have been on this forum, one theme has been repeated in conversation by many people. This relates to members coming across as a c0ck online, but being thoroughly decent people in person. You appear to consider yourself different to everyone else, well my friend, you are because from a survey conducted, 9 out of 10 forum members considered you to be a c0ck in person too!

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Are you truly as stupid as you make yourself sound?

Firstly - You have absolutely no idea of what I do for a living, do you? For your information (or is that too long a word for you to deal with) I sell motorcycle clothing, as well as bikes in my role as manager of a main dealership. Now strange as this may sound, I am probably more clued up about motorcycle kit than you could ever hope to be, having worked in this field for at least the last twelve years of my working life, first as a sales rep wholesaling helmets and clothing to dealerships and latterly as a retailer. Now when you've actually met me and talked to me about motorcycle kit you can then bugger off home and make a judgement on how much I know, until that time I'd prefer it if you kept your petty sniping and insults to yourself.

Secondly - I've posted a link above pointing out your lack of knowledge regarding CE approval and how it applies to motorcycle gloves. No need to thank me, I'm here to help the hard of thinking

It appears you Mr Bozzo are the one throwing the insults! You also appear easily offended When you have stopped talking about yourself perhaps you could return and read my original post properly before spouting more of your drivel.

Apologies to Clare for continuing this on her thread!

DMC there`s absolutely no need to apologies as i`m still annoyed about it myself.

Lozzo you failed to read the facts before spouting off (as you have a tendency to do) you jumped to conclusions and assumed that somebody was out for compensation which is both insulting and incorrect. When its pointed out to you how wrong you are you still can`t back down and apologise but instead you change your tactic. Claiming a refund for a pair of gloves is hardly seeking compensation for injuries now is it!! Those facts in my book mean that you have made a prat of yourself!!

I happen to think that the issue of whether or not Dave landed on his hands is a big deal... in fact it`s a very important factor as had his hands hit the floor then his fractures could have been caused by impact.

I would remind you that the whole point of this thread is not to blame Daves gloves for causing the injuries to his hands/wrists.... it is to establish whether others think that they may have played a part and if they potentially have then it is to take it further by contacting RST and raising a valid safety issue. I don`t care where you work.... it doesnt mean that you know everything. You don`t know whether RST will reply or not, again that is an assumption on your part. If you bought something that you suspected might be faulty would you not want to raise any concerns to minimise the risk of the same thing happening to somebody else??

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Originally Posted by Speedy Claire

If you bought something that you suspected might be faulty would you not want to raise any concerns to minimise the risk of the same thing happening to somebody else??

I'd phone/write to/email their customer services dept if I felt that way,

Wouldn't really consider I would need the support/approval/debate from the internet.

Not taking a pop, just it seems more and more these days that people just seem to like to have a little rant and rave on the internet rather than just getting on and doing stuff.

Seriously, I AM interested in this for real, why isn't the 1st post in this thread

"I have just send a recorded delivery letter to RST following Daves off as I believe that the design of the gloves he was wearing may have contributed to his injuries.

Lets see what they come up with."

Calm down ladies . I know we English love to rant but seems to have gone a bit off topic for last few pages.
I was looking at some Knox Handroid gloves. They are CE approved and look really cool but have heard mixed reviews and cost £120-£150 on ebay.

Originally Posted by Bozzo

These have you now marked down in my book as a c0ck

Love and peace

'Don't tell him your name Pike!'

Originally Posted by Lozzo

Dave went over the bars after doing an endo and didn't let go of the bars when he did so, as reported by Ralph in this thread, so he didn't fall square on his hands... big deal, I got that bit wrong

You need to read my posts again as well Lozzo.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

15mph is a four minute mile mate. Not a sprinting pace, but not far off. Trip at that speed on a hard surface and you are going flying, and quite likely to break something.

From what I understand of this crash, Dave did an endo when trying to stop and went over the handlebars, so whilst he might have been doing 20mph when he hit the brakes, he was would have been going much slower, but falling head first, when he actually fell to the ground.

It is actually quite common in an over the handlebars crash to break your hands. When I highsided the SV, it was my hands and wrists that took the worst damage and took longest to heal. That's why I couldn't ride GM3. Look what happened to Charley Boorman when he went over the front of his Dakar bike, and that was landing in sand at what he claims was relatively slow speed.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

PS: I'm not saying the gloves didn't make the injury worse, I'm just saying don't be surprised at broken hands when you go over the bars. I don't know exactly why that is, it may be that instinct makes you hold onto the bars until the bike is vertical, then when you realise your going over the top you put your hands out to save yourself, but don't quite have time to land palms down, but that's speculation. It's quite common anyway.

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This might sound a daft question Claire, but, do the gloves fit Dave perfectly?.
The reason I ask, is, if for any reason they don't fit to RSTs exact fitting requirement, they could just turn round and say he was at fault for buying the wrong size, therefore the protection was in the wrong place in conjunction to his wrist and fingers etc.
Carbon fibre is rock hard and I suspect if positioned in the wrong place even slightly could result in pressure on bones...and snapping them.

I'm only saying this, to perhaps throw another scenario to tick off the 'faults list'.

Also, if Dave didn't let go of the bars, they would have been under a lot of force from the weight of the bike, even at a low speed, thus just being unlucky and breaking where they have(perhaps unluckily indentical breaks too).
As you know Pegs right hand is smashed to smitherines permanently, and theres an endless list of questions to how it happened. Never to get to the bottom of.

Uh-OH Lozzo'd lol
I dunno if I should laugh or facepalm, it was me who said compensation pal. Claire (as she's quoted) said that Dave and her seek NO compensation but are just want to know if a warning to RST to help prevent others suffering the same fate is a worth while pursuit.

Unless you were replying to those posts by others about getting compo, loss of earnings etc informing them (me) that this is a waste of time then I recon you very much owe Claire and appology.
You've not helped yourself by making assumptions about elements which were stated as facts earlier in the thread such as the events of the accident. Regardless to the lack compassion you're showing a fellow organ following an accident, you dont do your self any favours by ridiculiing actions they're not even considering taking.

FTR: Your PPE/CE stuff is quite interesting IMO, I know where you work and what your field is so I'd take your word for it. In contrast I can only vouch for the kit I've used, where as you get to see a much wider user feedback and that knowlage is worth paying attention to for all of us.

Ralph: I apprechaite that pal I saw it as 15mph is achievable by pretty much anyone thats why I stated it. if I put WR sprint pace time in I'd be stretching the point I was trying to make
Which was You'd not expect your hands to shatter if you fell whilst running, I know you CAN damage hands easily but it seems odd that he's not suffered anything else, which In my eyes suggests it wasnt that hard of an impact, a fairly plain accident. The gloves arn't to blame for the accident but if they've caused the injury then you've gotta ask questions there I think we all agree.
FTR: I fell myself when we had the org paintball day and fractured my wrist (damn Maria trying to get away). But it was only little break my hand didnt shatter which is why Im stunned by the severity of Daves injury.
Im well aware that its possible to get really unlucky with injuries in any situation but looking at what we've been told about daves. Thinking purely from a structural point of view, to get a failing like Daves, in any material you'd need a load exerted on each fail point. If the gloves could be the cause of this force I dont know, but its possible and from their contruction I'd say its actually likely.

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A manufacturer will not admit a faulty product, as this would open the flood gates. As for replacement you need to go back to the supplier and tell them 'not fit for purpose', with no liabilities. As to CE, most clothing hasn't been tested only the protection, as in CE approved back protector fitted etc as an example.


Podgey on a bike

Not this case in particular, but I can't see how they would ever be held accountable, ce marked or not.

It's not like a guard in a machine ( which I used to build amongst other things btw) where it 100% has to contain any incidents to prevent injury to the user or reasonable risk identified by the risk assessment.

There are far too many variables for the manufacturers to be able to account for IMO.

Look at the leather airbag suits the racers wear now, it will stop a lot of injuries it's designed to but they will still get injured in those places, it's a crash at the end of the day, every one is different.