Assault on a teacher

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by svrich

I'm not saying it's right, and that she must do it, but the school need to do much more about it. I agree that your wife isn't in the physical position to manage these situations so the Management need to do a hell of a lot more to support their staff. There is a lot of training and support available if they spoke to the County Council about it. If they don't it's sounds like it's only a matter of time before a serious incident occurs and the newspapers do their best.
My point being that the government seems to be hanging schools out to dry with they way they have reduced the requirements and guidance around dealing with severe behaviours. It's a very dangerous position that your wife is in, physically and politically. She needs to lay it out for the school management, and get talking to her union and the education department at county level.
I hope things improve for her, and I don't sound 'all knowing,' but I am fortunate to work in a school that respects the safety of its staff and pupils, and invests in regular training that works.

+1

Sound like the Management team aren't the leaders they should be.

This sort of thing doesn't happen in my daughters school

Well, it had to happen eventually. One of my wife's colleagues taken into A&E today with a broken nose, punched in the face by a pupil.

Community service (perhaps within the school) should be enforced, rather than this tempory exclusion malarkey.

Why give a kid a day off when the thing they probably want most is to not be at school :S

[Dave20046]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Well, it had to happen eventually. One of my wife's colleagues taken into A&E today with a broken nose, punched in the face by a pupil.

Chap? I worked in a school quite a few years a go an the blokes were always getting hit, they employed fairly big blokes as enforcer types. Never saw a woman getting abused - if it's any piece of mind.

gettign the police to do a right lot is really hard bit of a tengent here but i experienced a similar thing in my line of work a couple of weeks ago, im a support worker with people with learning disabilities and whilst at someones flat i was assaulted by the individual, luckly i have good reflex's and instantly covered the part of my body that she was going for(my face and head) therefor did not sustain and physical harm as such, it was reported to my work and to the police who went round bo her flat and "talked to her" but basically did nothing as she said she didnt do anything, now as a result i have lost hours at work and i seem to be the only one suffering from the experience as it has shook me up, its ok having polocies and procedures around these things but if an individual weather it be a school kid or an adult is not really going to worry about concequences when thre is a severe ack of them.
The ones in schools that do these kinds of things are the ones that dont really want to be there so expulsion only means that they dont have to get up and do something!!!
they see it as a good thing half the time?

At our eldest's school they have internal exclusion, where they have to stay with teachers all day, preferably the head of year. The kids hate it because they get no freedom and they do not get the 'kudos' of having a day off. I doubt the teachers like it, but it is very good of them to put themselves out to do it, it does help making the kids stop and think.

Yes Dave it was a bloke, but as this thread shows the female teachers are far from safe.

This school does pupil isolation too, but it isnt working. When you think about why it isnt working you have to feel a bit sorry for them. With a lot of these kids their life is so **** anyway, they have become immune to punishment, because there isnt anything you can do thats going to make it significantly worse, the kid has given up caring.

It actually isnt the kids fault, he/she wasnt born destined to punch a teacher, its the environment that adults have provided, both at home (parents), on the streets (powers removed from police and other adults scared to intervene for fear or being prosecuted themselves) and at school (poor policies ans leadership) that have resulted in a child taking that action.

[Dave20046]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Yes Dave it was a bloke, but as this thread shows the female teachers are far from safe.

This school does pupil isolation too, but it isnt working. When you think about why it isnt working you have to feel a bit sorry for them. With a lot of these kids their life is so **** anyway, they have become immune to punishment, because there isnt anything you can do thats going to make it significantly worse, the kid has given up caring.

It actually isnt the kids fault, he/she wasnt born destined to punch a teacher, its the environment that adults have provided, both at home (parents), on the streets (powers removed from police and other adults scared to intervene for fear or being prosecuted themselves) and at school (poor policies ans leadership) that have resulted in a child taking that action.

Was just trying to offer *some* peace of mind, may seem pathetic when you know what your wife's being exposed to-but I don't believe it was chance. Or maybe I'm just being naive as to the depths of scum.
On a side note we had isolation when I was at school, it was basically be sat in a room on your own. The thick ones booted the sh*te out of everything and got a bill sent home, my favourite was nicking EVERYTHING you could from the room; rulers,mice, mouse mats,stationary, posters and then filling the teachers drawers/rooms with them. No nbills and it made the time pass. Although I did learn that isolation doesn't really work, the only thing that makes kids 'think' is shame - what's your mum going to say/do when she finds out. If no one cares about you you're going to care about very little.

So I agree, it's a vicious circle. At this particular school a kid had been known to arrive without shoes 'because mum can't afford them', the teachers often speculated that this mum (who didn't seem to be without tan,clothes,drugs etc. for herself) earned more in benefits than the full time, experienced, teaching staff did - the first thing she did with her following spawn (each of them) from an early age and with no symptoms was insist on various 'disability' tests.
What parent would apparently 'hope' for their child to be 'disabled'? ...One that gets awarded a benefits bonus when they are deemed such. I hate the kids = cash mentality.
I know I sound like I've been reading the Sun too much but the above is a real example from a school which had many (majority) similar stories...

I was a Deputy Head for many years and was involved with countless incidents where blame was apportioned to pupils and teachers alike, depending on the specific incident. Occasionally the conclusion was clear cut but more often than not there were 'contributory' factors to cloud the issue. Before I retired fully recently, I worked in a school with permanently excluded pupils - real hard nut no hopers (boys and girls). The disfunctionality of some pupils' backgrounds is quite glaring. The front line stand off between teachers and 'screwed-up' youngsters is inevitable. Unfortunately this conflict takes its toll on initially well balanced staff. They often start to get defensive and this in turn will affect their private lives. I have seen broken teachers. Some schools are better at dealing with the conflict than others. 90% of the time teaching is a great job but the lows can be lower than many people experience in the workplace - I know, I've been there. The worst thing is more of the same - no teacher should stay in the classroom until they retire IMO. My memories now are of the lovely kids I had the pleasure of working with. The dark side I care to forget. Your wife is in a wonderful profession and many, many people will remember her with affection when they look back on their schooldays.

[widepants]

Originally Posted by Dave20046

earned more in benefits than the full time, experienced, teaching staff did - the first thing she did with her following spawn (each of them) from an early age and with no symptoms was insist on various 'disability' tests.
What parent would apparently 'hope' for their child to be 'disabled'? ...One that gets awarded a benefits bonus when they are deemed such. I hate the kids = cash mentality.
I know I sound like I've been reading the Sun too much but the above is a real example from a school which had many (majority) similar stories...

I could take offence at the above texts.
Im a part time single working dad , and from this week I will probably be taking over the parenting full time.My lad is disabled and it looks like I may have to give up work and claim benifits.Is that wrong when the other option is for my kids to go into care.NOT all single parents should be put in the same "scrounging bracket"