Police cause SV650 to crash...

Originally Posted by Wideboy

If you can say then that he should have been going slower you can then say the poliman shouldn't have jumped out into the road.... and we're back to the previous page again.

It doesn't matter what the policeman did because he hit the bike in front not the policeman.

The reason the bike in front stopped is largely irrelevant.

If we were out riding and I stopped for a dear/child/rabbit/fallen branch/sex with a sheep, and you went into the back of me it would be exactly the same.

If however I hit whatever I was trying to stop for it may not be.

I'm not saying he definitely should have been going slower but if not slower then he should have maintained a larger gap between him and the bike in front. Depends on visibility.

Originally Posted by specialone

a sheep stepping out is far more likely than a copper with a hi viz jacket on, a sheep would be way harder to see in the fog too

If I had collided with that sheep it would've been totally my fault, not the sheeps.

But the sheep example can't be used to exonerate the copper of any blame, it can only be used to show fault on part of the rider (not that I'm suggesting you are trying to). A pedestrian is supposed to give way. A copper asking you to stop is supposed to give you reasonable (not 'only just possible') time in which to do it.

"Blame" in the sheep situation also depends on the circumstances. Remember when you were riding behind me in the Cotswolds and a pheasant flew out of the hedge 20 feet in front of me at 60mph? I ducked and just missed it, but didn't even have time to touch the brakes. Had it been a sheep running out of a hole in the hedge I'd have hit it. You can only be expected to allow stopping distance for hazards you can see.

[Wideboy]

Ok lets try this again. Watch the on board footage on the video. Arguably the bikes are traveling at roughly the same speed (you have to asume the kwak is). Vfr stops, sv doesn't and kwaker does. So where is speed the issue?

Cos the SV rider is not as good/experienced as the VFR and Kwak. His speed is excessive for him.

Originally Posted by Fordward

But the sheep example can't be used to exonerate the copper of any blame, it can only be used to show fault on part of the rider (not that I'm suggesting you are trying to). A pedestrian is supposed to give way. A copper asking you to stop is supposed to give you reasonable (not 'only just possible') time in which to do it.

"Blame" in the sheep situation also depends on the circumstances. Remember when you were riding behind me in the Cotswolds and a pheasant flew out of the hedge 20 feet in front of me at 60mph? I ducked and just missed it, but didn't even have time to touch the brakes. Had it been a sheep running out of a hole in the hedge I'd have hit it. You can only be expected to allow stopping distance for hazards you can see.

Very true but if you ride to be able to react to hazards then you have more chance, if that day it was foggy and you'd been doing 90, would you have avoided it?

Originally Posted by Wideboy

Ok lets try this again. Watch the on board footage on the video. Arguably the bikes are traveling at roughly the same speed (you have to asume the kwak is). Vfr stops, sv doesn't and kwaker does. So where is speed the issue?

The issue was the rider was riding at excessive speed for his ability and stopping distance, had he changed those parameters, ie, been riding at say 80, and /or increased his following distance, the situation wouldn't have occurred.

[Wideboy]

Says who? Who's to say the other two hadn't passed their test that day? You don't know these people and the only information going is what has been written in the comments boxes. The sv rider wasn't concentrating, you can see the vfr braking before the sv, in both front and back on boards. Unless you know for fact that this person was a newb then that's not excessive speed. Not paying attention and whop. Just like most rear end accidents.

It's all based on opinions.

[NTECUK]

You need to look at the YouTube Video "Stuarts Grand Day Out".
theirs better video on there.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxiK...e_gdata_player

Originally Posted by Wideboy

Ok lets try this again. Watch the on board footage on the video. Arguably the bikes are traveling at roughly the same speed (you have to asume the kwak is). Vfr stops, sv doesn't and kwaker does. So where is speed the issue?

different bikes.
Different riders.

You're supposed to ride to your bike and your skills not the bike and skills of the guy behind or in front of you.

I'd crash an Austin allegro if I tried to keep up with a Ferrari.

Originally Posted by Wideboy

Says who? Who's to say the other two hadn't passed their test that day?

It doesn't matter.

They both stopped fairly handily showing their assessment of their abilities was fine.

The SV didn't and if he wasn't paying attention then that just shows he should have been further away or slower to compensate for that.

[NTECUK]

Originally Posted by Spank86

different bikes.


The SV didn't and if he wasn't paying attention .

I think the SV rider was saying "Im ready for my close up"