New Riders and Big Bikes?

Originally Posted by neio79

no i would say you have earnt the right to ride what you like, you have paid your money to be taught how to ride,yes belive it or not some schools teach that rather than just to pass. Most people on here must have been taught on a learn at home type thing then as they reckon you are taught to pass. Where as i was taught things like counter steering and cornering while out on rides with my instructor.

Why have you or anyone on here earnt the right to ride an SV but because someone better off and who can afford to get a GSXR hassent earnt it?? Is it because you all reckon you should have small bikes to start. If that is the case has anyone argued the case for EVERYONE to be restriccted to 33BHP for two years no!!

70BHP wil top a ton ans put you in a wall just as easilly as 150BHP will. and i would argue its eaiser to tie the SV in knotts than the latest sports bike with beter handaling and brakes!

You've paid your money and are entitled to ride what you like, but did you earn anything? Not in my book anyway. Earning for me always requires effort, not just cash and a few days riding. I didn't say that DAS earned you the right to ride an SV.

I only did DAS to "get legal" after a long spell away from biking so for me it was really 4 days of going through DSA technicalities in town and having fun thrashing the 500's round country lanes with the instructor. I did about 30K miles in the first two years on 50 and 125cc bikes, before moving to bigger things (albeit I kind of forgot to take the test at the time, young and foolish ). I'm an advocate of doing it the hard way and putting the mileage in. A complete newbie doing DAS and jumping on an SV isn't a great idea in my book.

Maybe you were quite lucky with your DAS instructor/company. When you say "taught cornering" did he go through braking before bends, setting a positive throttle and all that kind of stuff? I haven't spoken to anyone who's done DAS for whom open road riding techniques were covered.

Yes, the SV can do 130mph, and can easily put you in a wall at 100, but it doesn't do it "as easily" as a gixxer thou. What I mean by this is that you are much less likely to look down at the clocks on an SV and get a fright as Fizz has described with his 750. You exit a corner and give it beans on a gixxer and the bike is capable of accelerating to double the speed before the next corner, that the SV is capable of. The gixxer is capable of getting you into the kind of situations, tankslappers, highsides, that just wouldn't arise on the SV under the same conditions 'cos the power isn't there to run away with you as easily.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Maybe you were quite lucky with your DAS instructor/company. When you say "taught cornering" did he go through braking before bends, setting a positive throttle and all that kind of stuff? I haven't spoken to anyone who's done DAS for whom open road riding techniques were covered.

I think its is practically all we did - specifically taught it in the u-turn, which I imagine is the idea for learning throttle-setting and cornering. And judging speed into a corner is another thing that my instructor went through...

He also talked about maintaining speed into a corner by using counter-steering, something that I use all the time since passing my DAS!

[fizzwheel]

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

aybe you were quite lucky with your DAS instructor/company. When you say "taught cornering" did he go through braking before bends, setting a positive throttle and all that kind of stuff? I haven't spoken to anyone who's done DAS for whom open road riding techniques were covered.

my DAS company whilst very good, didnt teach any of that stuff. I got taught to pass a test not how to ride, there is IMHO a big difference between the two things. I had to learn it myself, luckily I didnt learn the hard way, but thats only because I spent 10 months on a 125 before I got my SV and I made all my stupid mistakes on a little bike which wasnt very fast and easy to catch if I did do something stupid which I did.

[Luckypants]

Originally Posted by neio79

Where as i was taught things like counter steering and cornering while out on rides with my instructor.

Originally Posted by -Ralph-

Maybe you were quite lucky with your DAS instructor/company. When you say "taught cornering" did he go through braking before bends, setting a positive throttle and all that kind of stuff? I haven't spoken to anyone who's done DAS for whom open road riding techniques were covered.

Originally Posted by Dualcyclone

I think its is practically all we did - specifically taught it in the u-turn, which I imagine is the idea for learning throttle-setting and cornering. And judging speed into a corner is another thing that my instructor went through...

He also talked about maintaining speed into a corner by using counter-steering, something that I use all the time since passing my DAS!

I was taught open road riding around the Yorkshire Dales and N. Yorkshire Moors as part of my DAS. We did 200+ mile days with at least two hours town work each day. Was hard work but worth it. There were less thorough schools about, but you make your choice on quality of instruction etc when choosing your school.

Not all are 'pass factories'.


PS It was the instructors at this school who hammered into us to wear good gear to, my instructor came along and helped me choose my first leathers. These guys were bikers.

[timwilky]

What utter crap, I have read in this thread, it is so annoying. The landlady of my local, her first bike R1, her husbands first bike R6. She has now been riding it for 2 years and stayed upright. Her husband on the R6 only lasted 30 miles.

This weekend worrier has been riding for 30 years. I ride when the sun shines for fun not because I have to. Like many I avoid town/city centres and ride the country lanes. so perhaps I may not be the fastest filterer or use the smoothest line round a roundabout.

I get the feeling that some of you bitch about new riders/ big bikes etc out of jealousy. you wish you could have one but either can't afford it or mummy wont let you.


WTF does it matter what your ride, how long you have been riding, what perverse pleasure do you get from endangering yourself/some other rider just to be able to say I spanked the **** of the newbie on a gixxer.

Get over it people. There is no difference with new drivers out in mummy/daddies car and you in your clapped out shed. We should be encouraging more people onto two wheels, not then ridiculing them whilst they develop their skills

Originally Posted by timwilky

I get the feeling that some of you bitch about new riders/ big bikes etc out of jealousy. you wish you could have one but either can't afford it or mummy wont let you.


WTF does it matter what your ride, how long you have been riding, what perverse pleasure do you get from endangering yourself/some other rider just to be able to say I spanked the **** of the newbie on a gixxer.

well said that man! i get the impression that some on here are like that!!

Originally Posted by timwilky

What utter crap, I have read in this thread, it is so annoying. The landlady of my local, her first bike R1, her husbands first bike R6. She has now been riding it for 2 years and stayed upright. Her husband on the R6 only lasted 30 miles.

This weekend worrier has been riding for 30 years. I ride when the sun shines for fun not because I have to. Like many I avoid town/city centres and ride the country lanes. so perhaps I may not be the fastest filterer or use the smoothest line round a roundabout.

I get the feeling that some of you bitch about new riders/ big bikes etc out of jealousy. you wish you could have one but either can't afford it or mummy wont let you.


WTF does it matter what your ride, how long you have been riding, what perverse pleasure do you get from endangering yourself/some other rider just to be able to say I spanked the **** of the newbie on a gixxer.

Get over it people. There is no difference with new drivers out in mummy/daddies car and you in your clapped out shed. We should be encouraging more people onto two wheels, not then ridiculing them whilst they develop their skills

I know plenty of bikers who ride solely for recreation and won't go out in anything less than ideal conditions, but they're not all particularly bad riders. I think when people mock the weekend power ranger on a sportsbike, it's partly out of annoyance towards the maniacs who irresponsibly overtake cars at 150 down lanes where 100 would be pushing your luck and then stick their bike in the hedge and coof it. These people are the main reason biking is perceived as so dangerous and all of us who ride have to take so much pressure from our non-riding family/friends and why the police bloody hate us when we ride at weekends, not to mention the higher insurance premiums we have to pay.

I also completely understand how people gain amusement from shaming people on bigger/faster bikes. I still chuckle every time I think of me and mogs overtaking a chap on a Aprillia RSV-R (factory version too!) when he had a 5 minute head start on us. He was probably having fun wobbling along, but that doesn't stop me being amused by how much quicker we were than him on his vastly better bike. The chap doesn't know what we think about the incident (probably doesn't even remember it- I suspect he gets overtaken all the time!), so I don't think it'd put him off riding. I think people like mocking riders like this as it makes them feel better about their own riding, I'm sure the chap who overtook me on a CB500 the other week (to my mind by filtering dangerously at high speeds on narrowed lanes, but he probably does it all the time and thinks it's fine) feels good about "beating" someone on a faster bike (not that I feel much like racing on the public roads after a 450 mile trip). It doesn't detract from my enjoyment of riding/make me feel worse about myself, so what harm does it do?

Originally Posted by timwilky

This weekend worrier has been riding for 30 years. I ride when the sun shines for fun not because I have to. Like many I avoid town/city centres and ride the country lanes. so perhaps I may not be the fastest filterer or use the smoothest line round a roundabout.

for the record i gave my personal idea on what a weekend warrior was..
does any one agree with me? in the sense that it is the guys a trackdays and meets who as you say get there rocks off beating noobs, but wouldnt have a hope in hell against an expirenced rider.. all gear no idea.. "my bike is faster than yours" "i always do over 100mph"... "im an idiot" etc etc..

+1 for the rest of your post.. id would of had a thou if could afford it for my first bike

[dizzyblonde]

i jumped on an Sv straight after a DAS. Before that I rode around on a 125 cruiser. The Sv was very difficult for me at first...in fact on one hairpin, left hand, downhill bend I plonked it on its sidestand, stalled it (on purpose)and sat on the opposite side of the bend til Im Indoors came back up the hill and rode it down the hill for me.
It was completely alien for me, I've done my fair share of guff ups over the years. But if you compare my old head on a birds shoulders, to young head on blokes shoulders......god i can see you all jumping to stone me.....in my 4 years of riding I have dropped my bike once, a few times nearly, no points for speeding...blah blah blah.
Now compare to Im Indoors, who, has ridden for ten years...but... in his first few has crashed and bashed himself more times than i can write about. He in his infinite blokedom has always chosen the most stupid bikes to ride, and paid the price. His first big bike was an RD500...for you experts of 80's bikes know well its reputation....he wanted it and well it spat him off and ate him for breakfast. As his experience has grown so has his taste for mental bikes. Take the Raptor1000, he claims its a pussycat, well it would be because of his overall bike experience....now give it to a newly passed DAS bloke and he'd get thrown off and eaten for dinner.
I've never ridden any of his bikes, when I passed I could of had the choice of two or three of his RD's, Sv's etc, but I didn't have anyone to impress did I???? If I'd have wanted I could have been goaded into jumping on Elsie just to show him 'I wasn't scared'. Nope I'm not a bloke with bloky friends egging me on. So I got a girls bike....which incidently half of you ride
Sorry to get all lady on you all, but the gixxer thing and the romper suit newby, is really usually a bloke, with blokey friends blah, blah, blah. You ride the bike you want to suit yourself not to suit others, I can't understand why these blokes go and buy bikes that are clearly out of their headrange


now discuss if you will, no doubt you'll all rip me to shreds

Originally Posted by dizzyblonde

i, I can't understand why these blokes go and buy bikes that are clearly out of their headrange

simlpy because they WANT to AND can AFFORD to.