Who supports the Unions uprising?

[arc123]

Lack of money or not, The government is wasting money on many public services, Its called efficiency.

And your evidence of this? it would actually be called inefficiency if it is wasted money btw. And the money spent on wars/bank bailouts should absolutely be discussed where efficiencies are being discussed.

Well I dont think you could cut anymore funds if you tried!

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.

[arc123]

How can you support them when you fail/refuse to grasp the problem?

Ok then genius, for the under-educated here, explain to me the problem if you would be so kind....

For me, the issue is that it is necessary to cut the deficit because we are, by all measures, a bankrupt country (company). Personally, I would look for more radical measures than simply cutting costs... However, from your input thus far, it seems that you are incapable from thinking that little bit further. No shame in that my friend, you fit in well.

Originally Posted by arc123

And your evidence of this? it would actually be called inefficiency if it is wasted money btw. And the money spent on wars/bank bailouts should absolutely be discussed where efficiencies are being discussed.

I have absolutely no idea what you are talking about here.

Im talking about using public funds efficiently... not inefficiently.....btw

Wars = Right/wrong, But Is the budget being used efficiently (or inefficiently).... Yes, In-fact they need more money.

Banks = Wrong on so many different levels, But right, if they didnt bail them out most of us would be up sh*t creek without a paddle!

Spending £55k on a stop smoking co-ordinator or £35k on a Tree officer or £35k on an area rehabilitation officer................

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by arc123

Ok then genius, for the under-educated here, explain to me the problem if you would be so kind....

For me, the issue is that it is necessary to cut the deficit because we are, by all measures, a bankrupt country (company). Personally, I would look for more radical measures than simply cutting costs... However, from your input thus far, it seems that you are incapable from thinking that little bit further. No shame in that my friend, you fit in well.

Save your handbags for the picket lines dude...

Frankly I think not spending money you don't have is a great way to save some cash, if we're to preserve the ridiculously wasteful levels of spending demonstrated over the last 13 years how do you suggest the country provides the money to do it?

Originally Posted by arc123

for the under-educated here

Acceptance!

[Bri w]

ok, let's stand the argument on its head. Lets carry on with the current level of spending, and just how should it be funded?

1)I suppose the money could always be got from the banks, who are now making money again - in theory fabulous but what would that do to those banks = crippled, failing again and in need of a bailout.

2)Well tax could always be increased to a silly amount to fund it...mmm, everyone has less money so unions put in for big pay rises = crippled industry, or what's left of it.

3)Cut public sector pay by 30% so everyone keeps their jobs...mmm, see 2 above.

The harsh reality is expenditure exceeds income by an amount that isn't serviceable.

anyway, I guess our own little straw poll suggests what people feel about it all.

Originally Posted by arc123

Personally, I would look for more radical measures than simply cutting costs...

Would that be what the Americans call a 'fire sale'?

Originally Posted by alexh

Spending £55k on a stop smoking co-ordinator or £35k on a Tree officer or £35k on an area rehabilitation officer................

You do realise that your 3 examples of wasteful spending can actually save more money than they cost?

[the_lone_wolf]

Originally Posted by Bri w

The harsh reality is expenditure exceeds income by an amount that isn't serviceable.

Ding ding ding... We have a winner!!

Originally Posted by Bri w

anyway, I guess our own little straw poll suggests what people feel about it all.

Interesting that it almost exactly mirrors the FT poll results for the general public... Whereas other polls on the org have not...

Originally Posted by simesb

You do realise that your 3 examples of wasteful spending can actually save more money than they cost?

Please enlighten me, I understand the arguement regarding the Stop smoking co-ordinator, but the other 2?

At the end of the day are they neccesary?

[Bri w]

Originally Posted by the_lone_wolf

Ding ding ding... We have a winner!!

I thank you

As to our poll mirroring the FT poll. There's a decent cross section of society on here. Whereas if you polled the union members of an affected union it wouldn't mirror it at all.

We have a vested interest in the success of GB Plc, whereas the union members have a vested interest in paying their mortgage.