Leave the UK?

Originally Posted by philipMac

There is amazing winter sports out there, ice climbing, skiing, all that stuff. The summers are nice too, settled weather, not insanely hot like down where I am in NYC. You can do nice hiking and all that.
Decent paddling too in spring. Vancouver is meant to be the place. Completely beautiful. I was never actually there, but I was with a native american girl who was, and she was showing me pics and maps and things.

Yup. Would be nice.


What about NZ? Does anyone (AHEM GMONSTA ) know about NZ?

I've still been trying to think of a couple more reasons for you not to go . Its easier to think of the things I miss though and its mainly the outdoors lifestyle. Fishing, diving, surfing and everything to do with the sea - all done where you are one of a handful of people doing the same thing... New Zealand being roughly the same size of the UK not even 10% of the population. As the country was really only formed in 1840 (my inlaws house is older) there is a lot of undeveloped countryside which is so different than Europe.

A british mate of mine moved down with his family 3 years ago after buying a block of land whilst on holiday there many years earlier. They moved back to the UK after a year and a bit though. The isolation drove them nuts. It was too far away from anywhere (apart from Fiji and Australia - 4hrs) but also very rural - both the peoples attitudes and the local towns themselves. Its also quite expensive as the cost of living is still quite high and wages not the best.

I would say there are opportunities to make money - but I think the opportunities to do so in the UK are better and can be done quicker. I know lots of Aussies and Kiwis that come up here on working holidays & ancestory visas. Most will lay down deposits for a house or 2 back home, or if they do well that perfect 10 acre block on the coast.

I have a Kiwi builder mate who just sent his family back to NZ and he will be following later in the year. They have done really well here. He had a personal policy of only hiring Kiwi chippys as they were more efficient than other nationalities. I thinks its great that he or any other employer can get a job done more efficiently by hiring cheaper harder working staff. I am sure that anyone of you would do the the same if you were in a similar position. Oh look I'm going off topic again...

The weather in NZ is great though - especially in the North. A little like the UK but the winters arent as cold - maybe 10 deg cels if its really cold. But if you want the best of everything then Australia I think would have it for me. The cosmopolitan lifestyle whilst still being able to get out of the city and into the middle of nowhere within an hour... but thats another post.

Originally Posted by Gmonsta

But if you want the best of everything then Australia I think would have it for me. The cosmopolitan lifestyle whilst still being able to get out of the city and into the middle of nowhere within an hour....

So how come "most" of Australia seems comes over here to live then? Germaine Greer, Clive James, John Torode, Mark Viduka to name but four - plus a few zillion Students who we let in to set up ghastly Outback bars....what are they? Missionaries?

[northwind]

Mark Viduka Both an australian and eastern european economic migrant.

Originally Posted by Balddood

I suppose i could always pack up and move to Spain, that might be an idea

Sean

Hang on, wouldn't that be:

Originally Posted by Balddood

.........someone who has come to my country in order to escape the (so called) atrocities which are happening in their own.

The same from a Spaniard's point of view?

Pot, kettle, black?

i know quite a few ppl trying to get in OZ whats all the fuss about?

Originally Posted by Balddood

I would just like to point out that the first steps i would take would be to round up all the illegal immigrants, muslim extremists sand anyone else who doesn't contribute to the economy / rapes the economy so that my fellow British people would at least have a sporting chance of a better lifestyle, and send them back to where they came from. Before someone throws the "racist" rattle from their prams, i would like to say that i am not racist, i am merely a British person who is proud to be so. Now back to the point. In order to make a start on bringing this country back in line, it would be necessary to get rid of the deadwood and concentrate on our own people for a change. However, seeing as "our" government seem to be a collection of mamby-pamby, do-gooding, pink-fluffy, politically correct halfwits, it would seem that instead of doing so, we just seem to be taking in more and more immigrants (illegal or otherwise) who see that the benefits system in this country is easy to pilfer and generally make haste at doing so. Again, i'm sure the PC police will be along shortly to show me the error of my ways and point out that the above isn't the case at all and that we should welcome them with open arms and let them take shelter from the evils which are provailing in their own countries. You would, however, be wasting your breath. I am also well aware that we have our own scroungers who love to sit at home all day on their idle backsides watching tricia etc, whose only aim in life is to knock out as many kids as possible, live in a council house paid for by the average tax payer, on benefits provided to them by the average tax payer, which they use to buy enough alcohol / recreational drugs to get them by until the next giro appears on the doormat. These would be the next target. Get those that can work, to work or stop their benefits.

Now, everything i have posted above would by no means make our beautiful country / community any better on it's own but it would make a start! It would seem though that by being British, i am the underdog in my own country. I have human rights, but not as many it would seem as someone who has come to my country in order to escape the atrocities which are happening in their own.

Therefore, you may as well take no notice of anything i have just said because much like a British citizen's opinion, it means nothing.

Sean

Originally Posted by Balddood

Well... having managed a company which employed (note the ed, past tense) migrant workers, i find it hard to understand how sending most of their wages "home" to the family and keeping just enough so they can eat / sleep here is benefiting our economy? I could understand if they were spending their wages here but they dont. The people who i knew were living in a 2 bedroomed house, rented, 14 of them!! Again, when you consider that they were on pretty good money and each of them paying £20 a week towards the rent, there is quite a lot of money going "home". There will always be people who profess to know the facts about these matters, but it doesn't take away what people see every single day. When "visitors" to my country have more civil rights than "citizens" then there is something very wrong.

Sean

I like this man and his thinking, agree 110%

I want to leave the UK when i retire, just personal choice, i donr know where. NZ and Canada have always appealed to me.

I could apply to transfer to the NZ, OZ or canadian armies and get given citizenship after i have finnished my time with them. A nice easy jump the que type thing.

My wife does not want to really leave but i just see this country going down the pan more and more. I realise that fo all my rants and raves about the state of the place in lots of other posts( so i will spare you all an other rant) the UK is done for its not going to get better its only going to get worse. befroe much longer you wont even be able to buy a house in the UK unless you earn 100K a year. Its already at the point where if you want decent place to live it means buyng it with a loved one. I could go on and on for hours about the state of the UK and how i belive to cure it but i think you all know my views and heard them many times before so i will spare you again.

I am proud to be English and of everything my country has done in its long and great past but now what is there to be proud of in the UK??? We were once the envy of the world in many ways, now we are a laughing stock, seen as americas 51st state.

I belive the only way to have any chance of getting th UK back ot a decent place to live really is to have someone like the BNP in power for a few terms.

in summary i hang my head in utter dispare at the way the UK is and i really dont see it getting better ever.

The UK I Love and want is as dead as the Incas; Aztec's and a host of other dead and burred civilisations. it really does depress me.

interesting thread....

I am without a doubt an economic migrant at the moment, working as an architect in dubai.

The quality of life (for me) is very good. virtually zero crime. it last rained in january. petol is £1 a gallon. I dont pay income tax and can eat out whenever i fancy it.

I still miss the UK, and its always our intention to go back... but we'll see.

Regarding the undercutting of builders by eastern eurpoean labour. I've been on site's where plumbers, brickies etc are earning more than architects who have studied for 7 yrs.....clearly in the past there has been a skills shortage in the construction industry and now the immigrant labour is addressing that.

i can imagine there are lots of places in the world where you could settle and have a very nice lifestyle.

good luck.

karl

*Playing Devil's advocate here.*

Could not the main cause of people's disillusionment with the U.K. be largely due to them clinging on to it's worldwide standing in the past? Another trait perhaps steming from "the island mentality". Ok for U.K./British/English forces to invade countries through the ages, but just let some foreigner move legally to our country?

Things are not the same for sure, in any country that I can think of. Maybe time to look ahead and positively help forge a place for the U.K. in the world of tomorrow?

The U.K is not the force it once was in any particular field I can instantly think of,(again a point being made to provoke discussion) Any changes naturally begin with the mentality of the citizens and whether they can embrace what the modern world with it's transitory poulation brings.

This need not be done with hand wringing but a positive and determined mind set that sees the people of a country pull towards the comon aim and benefit.

How something like that could even begin to be implemented I have no idea at all.

[quote=Pedrosa;1302315The U.K is not the force it once was in any particular field I can instantly think of.[/quote]

what about Whinging and moaning?
binge drinking and drunken brawls?

oh and i still concider our Armed forces the best in the world as do many nations, the SAS are certainly the leaders in the SF comunity world wide.

but on the whole you are right we are not leaders in much anymore.

like the old retired boxer who got fat and usless, living out his life on memories of past glory, that is the UK at the moment