Menezes health and safety hearing

I will make this thread far more interesting.

Do you think this case would have been different if the man shot was not a Brazilian national?

Feel free to say no.

probably wouldn't have had the carnival if he wasn't

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by The Basket

I will make this thread far more interesting.

Do you think this case would have been different if the man shot was not a Brazilian national?

Feel free to say no.

meaning he was a Brit?

or meaning if he was a muslim?

personaly i think the police's stance would be no different either way.

As for the judges summing up, he also went on to say that it would be silly to think that the work of the police would be affected by the outcome of this case and its not for the jury to worry about the polices image or their ability to do their wok after the case. that should have no bearing on the jury and they should focus solely on the facts of this case.

Originally Posted by The Basket

I will make this thread far more interesting.

Do you think this case would have been different if the man shot was not a Brazilian national?

Feel free to say no.

Nationality,gender,sexual preference,clothing style etc have no relevance at all here. An innocent person was slain in close proximity to many other innocent passengers by members of the police force behaving like crazed animals who had cornered their quarry. Due outrage has been shown I feel.

There was also a massive outcry when if I remember correctly an innocent photographer driving a mini car in the middle of London wa shot to bits also by the police in the 80's I think? Fortunately he survived his own ordeal.

Verdict is out

London's police force has been found guilty of breaking health and safety laws over the shooting dead of innocent Brazilian Jean Charles de Menezes.
The Metropolitan Police unnecessarily put the public at risk in chasing a suspected suicide bomber across the city, an Old Bailey jury decided

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Verdict is out

Amen to that.The only verdict that any right minded person could have hoped for.

Damn right. I just hope it will be acted on. It does state that no officer was to blame which makes it look like more spin.

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

Damn right. I just hope it will be acted on. It does state that no officer was to blame which makes it look like more spin.

I think to bring the force to account en masse was the only likely conclusion that could have been met. After all a previous court case exonerated the officers concerned.

There will be some good come of this I am sure as procedures are reviewed and improved. At the end of the day no one involved imagined for one second that the poor victim was a total innocent.

The police are there to protect the majority of citizens who are indeed innocent of any suspicion, but it cannot be ignored that one of them might just find themselves in the wrong place at the wrong time someday in the future. One can only hope that a higher degree of due care and dilligence would be engaged by officers in a similar situation should it ever arise again.

[Ruffy]

Originally Posted by The Basket

Do you think this case would have been different if the man shot was not a Brazilian national?

Originally Posted by gettin2dizzy

probably wouldn't have had the carnival if he wasn't

+1. Wrong, but probably true.

Originally Posted by Pedrosa

I think to bring the force to account en masse was the only likely conclusion that could have been met. After all a previous court case exonerated the officers concerned.

So what will this actually achieve? IMHO it's all spin and politics - the whole thing has stunk all the way through, on both sides.

[quote=Ruffy;1329116]+1. Wrong, but probably true.



So what will this actually achieve? IMHO it's all spin and politics - the whole thing has stunk all the way through, on both sides.[/quote]

It has brought the activities of the police into the public domain and I suggest the general public will no longer accept the excuse of "we were simply doing our job." It has been shown that accountability is demanded and should be provided transparently.

The spin you refer to was largely generated by the police themselves who frankly LIED and this has been shown. Any spin on the matter was as expected created by the media. In hindsight the front page headline of The Sun newspaper that hailed the killing of a "known" terrorist the day after the shooting,now appears grossly inaccurate and at least hysterical. I certainly do not agree that this was a court case which would have gained anyone politically.

I do not accept your view that all of this procedure was for nought.