Gripe of the day - What is yours?

[garynortheast]

Oven ready deal apparently. Wonder where that weekly £350,000,000 got too?

[embee]

The fundamental aspect which doesn't seem to be recognised is that deals work two ways. We take back control, they take back control. We look after our interests, they look after their interests. It's not rocket science. A far eastern country lets us sell our whisky and cheese and we give them a few visas.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by embee

The fundamental aspect which doesn't seem to be recognised is that deals work two ways. We take back control, they take back control. We look after our interests, they look after their interests. It's not rocket science. A far eastern country lets us sell our whisky and cheese and we give them a few visas.

Take back control of what though ? EU seems to have been dictating the terms.
There might have been advantages in leaving but they don't seem too obvious at the moment.
Not including financial services in 'the deal' now looks to have backfired .
I would just like somebody to say what exactly has been gained by leaving.
Some are even saying the cost of Brexit so far has exceeded the cost of the UK'S contributions to the EU in 47 years of membership !

[DJ123]

https://ibb.co/F74D8cz

Originally Posted by svenrico

Take back control of what though ? EU seems to have been dictating the terms.
There might have been advantages in leaving but they don't seem too obvious at the moment.
Not including financial services in 'the deal' now looks to have backfired .
I would just like somebody to say what exactly has been gained by leaving.
Some are even saying the cost of Brexit so far has exceeded the cost of the UK'S contributions to the EU in 47 years of membership !

That's an easy cost to make based purely alone on the FX rates - they crashed when Brexit happened.

[Seeker]

news that you may have missed...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...health-insurer

the continued privatisation by stealth

[Craig380]

Originally Posted by svenrico

Take back control of what though? EU seems to have been dictating the terms.
There might have been advantages in leaving but they don't seem too obvious at the moment.
Not including financial services in 'the deal' now looks to have backfired .
I would just like somebody to say what exactly has been gained by leaving.
Some are even saying the cost of Brexit so far has exceeded the cost of the UK'S contributions to the EU in 47 years of membership !

What we 'gain' by leaving is uncoupling the UK from EU employment and worker protection laws - which gives staff based in the UK fewer benefits and rights than EU counterparts, making them much easier to fire.

It also uncouples the UK from EU anti-tax avoidance laws, which means we can invite much more dubious business from the global 'grey' economy. Rishi Sunak can set up his 'freeports' that he is so keen on, allowing all sorts of illicit, underhand but lightly-taxed trade via the UK.

It's ultra-Conservatism in action: the lightest-touch regulation of the financial sector, eroding of workers' rights, rolling back the state and creating monopolies for the likes of Serco.

[SV650rules]

A lower currency value isn't all bad news, it stimulates exports and tends to discourage imports. Germany, as an export country enjoys a Euro that is lower in value than it would be if it was their 'own' currency, the Euro value is kept lower by countries like Greece, Italy and Spain. European centres have coveted the UK financial sector for ever, and tried to 'steal it' - but never succeeded. Freeing UK from EU regulation means that we may lose a bit of their financial business, but we can be more competitive with rest of world ( which is huge compared to EU ). The UK contract vs the EU vaccine contract highlight why foreign businesses like the UK and our system of law, it gives them more transparency and protection. The ECB is virtually bankrupt ( it fails every stress test ) and the underwriting of Euro business contracts needs huge financial clout that London has but EU does not. If the EU understood economics instead of just being a political construct they would never have introduced the Euro, the Euro only makes political sense, economically it is a disaster.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by Craig380

What we 'gain' by leaving is uncoupling the UK from EU employment and worker protection laws - which gives staff based in the UK fewer benefits and rights than EU counterparts, making them much easier to fire.

It also uncouples the UK from EU anti-tax avoidance laws, which means we can invite much more dubious business from the global 'grey' economy. Rishi Sunak can set up his 'freeports' that he is so keen on, allowing all sorts of illicit, underhand but lightly-taxed trade via the UK.

It's ultra-Conservatism in action: the lightest-touch regulation of the financial sector, eroding of workers' rights, rolling back the state and creating monopolies for the likes of Serco.

sarcasm at its best.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

A lower currency value isn't all bad news, it stimulates exports and tends to discourage imports. Germany, as an export country enjoys a Euro that is lower in value than it would be if it was their 'own' currency, the Euro value is kept lower by countries like Greece, Italy and Spain. European centres have coveted the UK financial sector for ever, and tried to 'steal it' - but never succeeded. Freeing UK from EU regulation means that we may lose a bit of their financial business, but we can be more competitive with rest of world ( which is huge compared to EU ). The UK contract vs the EU vaccine contract highlight why foreign businesses like the UK and our system of law, it gives them more transparency and protection. The ECB is virtually bankrupt ( it fails every stress test ) and the underwriting of Euro business contracts needs huge financial clout that London has but EU does not. If the EU understood economics instead of just being a political construct they would never have introduced the Euro, the Euro only makes political sense, economically it is a disaster.

A bit beyond me , but I do know we didn't have the Euro when we were in the EU.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by Seeker

news that you may have missed...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...health-insurer

the continued privatisation by stealth

Haven't missed it now. NHS PRIVATISATION BY STEALTH.