Gripe of the day - What is yours?

[Bibio]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

All this 'first people' thing has one big flaw. Many generations of tribes invaded other tribes and enslaved them before Britain went anywhere near those countries. As for slavery, the Africans and Arabs started it, the Africans took slaves from other tribes long before white men became involved. Millions of Europeans were enslaved by Arabs and Barbary Corsairs in the Mediterranean, they even raided UK coast to take slaves, when are their countries going to recompense UK families for their taken people.


https://eutoday.net/news/security-de...ed-from-memory

dont forget that Britain was enslaved for hundreds of years by the Romans. do British people go pulling down statues of Roman emperors or moaning that it happened.... oohh wait didn't the Danes (Cnut The Great) rule Britain at one point as well enslaving and killing indigenous people.

dont forget the great Ottoman empire who killed and enslaves millions.

its the 21st century folks

i was at a party the other night there and someone was complaining about people getting their hands chopped off in Islamic/Arabic country's and i said 'good maybe they should adopt that here and there would be less crime' the look on peoples faces was priceless...

[CheGuevara]

I think the difference, at least with respect to the situation in Canada, is that these issues aren't ancient history. Victims/survivors of the residential school system are alive today, some younger than me (and I don't consider myself old). There are probably few Canadian aboriginal families today who haven't been directly impacted by this an other similar policies. It's much more than a vague notion of something that happened hundreds of years ago.


As a Canadian, I think I can say with reasonable certainty that most of us (even since my parent's generation), would consider Canada a fair, just, inclusive and progressive country, largely unencumbered by historical issues (for lack of a better word), classism, and without the broad (or at least open) racism seen in the US. I think most Canadians take pride in how (we believe, at least) Canada is perceived as a nation in the world.


That this has happened (as well as certain other issues that have come to light recently) within our lifetimes, and gone largely unnoticed, or ignored, will be a source of shame and embarrassment. On the other hand, I think it's an opportunity (and one that Canada can rise to) to accept responsibility, start healing the rift, and support our fellow Canadians in reclaiming their language and culture, and building pride and prosperity (in whatever form they might choose) in their communities.

[gadget]

The past cannot be changed ... fact! No current living member on this planet is responsible in any way for what happened prior to their birth.
If as much effort was put into building a positive future as is put into trying to eradicate the past ... we might just get somewhere.

[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by gadget

The past cannot be changed ... fact! No current living member on this planet is responsible in any way for what happened prior to their birth.
If as much effort was put into building a positive future as is put into trying to eradicate the past ... we might just get somewhere.

Well said..

[Adam Ef]

Rare Saturday off work. Has anyone seen summer anywhere?

[garynortheast]

Originally Posted by Adam Ef

Rare Saturday off work. Has anyone seen summer anywhere?

We have it here and we're keeping it. There's not enough for anyone else so you'll all have to put up with the rain and cold.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

All this 'first people' thing has one big flaw. Many generations of tribes invaded other tribes and enslaved them before Britain went anywhere near those countries. As for slavery, the Africans and Arabs started it, the Africans took slaves from other tribes long before white men became involved. Millions of Europeans were enslaved by Arabs and Barbary Corsairs in the Mediterranean, they even raided UK coast to take slaves, when are their countries going to recompense UK families for their taken people.


https://eutoday.net/news/security-de...ed-from-memory

Well said.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by Bibio

dont forget that Britain was enslaved for hundreds of years by the Romans. do British people go pulling down statues of Roman emperors or moaning that it happened.... oohh wait didn't the Danes (Cnut The Great) rule Britain at one point as well enslaving and killing indigenous people.

dont forget the great Ottoman empire who killed and enslaves millions.

its the 21st century folks

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Romans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings, Normans - we are a mixture of all sorts in this country.

[SV650rules]

Originally Posted by svenrico

Romans, Anglo Saxons, Vikings, Normans - we are a mixture of all sorts in this country.

It was also the British who abolished slavery first, and spent an absolute fortune with the Navy blockading slave ports on west coast of Africa ( IIRC 10 years ) to make sure no slaves got shipped anywhere. British and Dutch navy also devastated the Barbary pirates - making Europe and UK safe from them.

[maviczap]

Originally Posted by garynortheast

We have it here and we're keeping it. There's not enough for anyone else so you'll all have to put up with the rain and cold.

Please don't be so selfish, my cycling tan lines need topping up