Body Position, What am I doing wrong?

You look alright to me.
Leaning off with your upper body isn't necessary, keeping your head central is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

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The other extreme.


Tis a black art, it is.

[lukemillar]

Originally Posted by sinbad

You look alright to me.
Leaning off with your upper body isn't necessary, keeping your head central is perfectly acceptable in my opinion.

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The other extreme.


Tis a black art, it is.

In a thread that is trying to be objective, I don't think you could be more subjective if you had tried!

A guy on the 675 forum posted this a while back, which I thought was good. He looked at other people on the same day, at the same corner. This is what he posted:












See the difference!? I'm not saying this is the be-all and end-all of body positioning. Just that you can look at other people in exactly the same spot and come to some definite conclusions and pointers for your own body positioning.

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Originally Posted by lukemillar

In a thread that is trying to be objective, I don't think you could be more subjective if you had tried!

A guy on the 675 forum posted this a while back, which I thought was good. He looked at other people on the same day, at the same corner. This is what he posted:












See the difference!? I'm not saying this is the be-all and end-all of body positioning. Just that you can look at other people in exactly the same spot and come to some definite conclusions and pointers for your own body positioning.

Wow he looks more uncomfortable than me lol.

For me its more of a case that when doing it, it feels awkward or wrong....it may be acceptable, but it doesnt feel right.

Got plenty of tips to practice on now anyway so ta very much

Originally Posted by lukemillar

In a thread that is trying to be objective, I don't think you could be more subjective if you had tried!

A guy on the 675 forum posted this a while back, which I thought was good. He looked at other people on the same day, at the same corner. This is what he posted:

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See the difference!? I'm not saying this is the be-all and end-all of body positioning. Just that you can look at other people in exactly the same spot and come to some definite conclusions and pointers for your own body positioning.

I was about to make this point ... not every corner has/requires the same body position and it depends at what 'point' the shot was taken ... so you need to compare like for like (as the 675 dude has ).

This was initially posted by luke miller...

helped me

Riding Position how to, and how not too...!

Guys & Gals,

After much debate about riding position, and how people want to improve their riding, and particulalry their riding in corner, or in their quest to get their knee down, I've had several requests on how to do body position and how not too... So I've got the bike out of the garage (for the first time in 9 months Crying or Very sad) , and taken these piccys.

Now I need to make a few provisos about this article. Firstly, everyone has their own individual riding style, what will feel good too you, etc. I am in no way trying to change this, however as many of you know I'm a very big fan of California Superbike School and have been through the entire course, and additionally completed several day 4 sessions on a 1-2-1 basis. Now if you were to go through the school yourselves, they would overhaul your body position to something similiar to this, so for those of you that can't afford the 1200 quid to go through the entire school programme, you may find this article of use. This will not however, ever replace the school programme, and if you can do it, I'd reccomend you do.

Secondly, this article is only in particularly talking about how to ride fast, either for fast road, or for track days. You couldn't and wouldn't want to ride like this for normal everyday riding, so please don't try as you'll be very knackered. Also riding as shown properly, is very hard work, so be warned.....

Ok, we're going to split this article into two stages. Stage 1 will be showing the common riding mistakes many riders make. I will post photos to describe the problem, pointing out specific areas that are wrong. Following on from this, I will post pictures on good body position and photos showing that too. Hopefull everyone will be able to tell the difference..... Smile

Bad riding position



This image shows most riders normal riding position, or at least those who are fairly new to riding. Please note on this image two fundamental problems. 1) Body not right back to the rear of the seat, and secondly poor foot position, with the balls of the feet not being placed on the pegs.



Picture 2 shows how many riders ride right upto the tank. This position is fine for normal road riding, however, when you lean off, tends to make riders twist around the tank.



Picture 3 shows tank rotation. The rider moves body to the side, in this picture to the right, in order to be able to lean off. Rider rotates around tank, and does not have a good grip on outside of the tank, specifically the cutout is not used. See the large space between the leg and the tank.



Consequences of poor upper body position as seen from behind. (please note I have over exaggerated this a little but is still fairly typical of many riders). Rider is rotating around the tank, and has poor grip on bike with legs, is therefore required to hold onto bars quite hard. Note how twisted the rider body is, which puts unwanted pressure on inside bar



Poor twisted body position as seen from the front. Note how the rider has only slightly bent forearms? This means the rider is holding onto that inner (right hand here) bar too frimly, and is putting in an unneccesary countersteer.



Badly positioned foot. (well not really, but there is a point here). Because the rider here here is not hooked into the tank on the outer side, the rider is taking a very large percentage of their weight on the inside peg. This usually results in the rider having acchy knees.



Picture of outer foot. Note that rider isn't sat on balls of feet on peg, and because the rider has no grip onto the tank, is carrying virtually no weight.

Good Body positioning



Picture shows correct body position for down straights etc. Unfortuantely for me, I'm 6'1" which makes my life hard. Please note here however, firstly rider is positioned to back of the seat, and secondly, rider has balls of feet on the pegs.



Picture shows riding gripping the tank for braking etc. Is possibly one of the hardest things to achieve, but is crucial for proper braking, and riding position. Also note the gap between rider and tank, rider is sat to back of seat, and has about 1 pack of ciggies between rider and tank.



Picture shows good body positioned whilst leaned off the bike. Specifically important points to note are a) body sat right back in seat, b), forearm bent to 90 degrees, c) foot position on peg (though I have more detailed shot of this below.



This picture shows good body position whilst leant off from the front of the bike. A general rule of thumb is that you should be able to see the chin bar of your helmet in the bottom of the mirror. Also note that the forearm is straight and at 90 degress to the body.



Image shoes two things, importantly the body is in a straight line, which means that the riders inner arm is not putting any unwanted countersteering through the bars. Image also shows the correct amount of **** of the seat, i.e half your ****.



Image shows correct body position, and importantly both flat forearm, 90 degrees to the body, but also outer forearm, resting on the tank.



Image show same shot, but taken from above. note forearm resting on the top of the tank.



Image shows correct knee position wedged into the tank. This is probably one of the most important aspects of leaning off, and without this, the rider will take either large amounts of weight through either the bars, (which is negative to the bikes handling, and often the cause of ineffective steering in tightening corners), or through the inside foot, (which gives achy knees)



Image shows the correct foot position for your outside foot. Note how it is twisted so that you can power through your foot, and wedge your knee into the side of the tank. Your outside foot, should take a large percentage of your body weight when cornering.
This is only possible through correct foot placement, and having your knee wedged against the tank..



Image shows how rider has his inside foot positioned. Note that the sole of his foot is wedged against the side of the frame/footpeg, and that he has only have a small amount of weight through this foot. Rider used to have foot on the end of the peg, which is also acceptable, however, he went through toesliders to quickly due to corner speeds and lean angles, so CSS moved him to here.



Image shows same foot position, but from behind, to show how he wedges his foot against the pegs/frame. Also notice that rider is still on the balls of feet, to aid with feeling..



This is really the ultimate test of whether a rider is locked into the bike properly or not. Note the rider has no hands on the bars at all, and is using the outside leg and knee wedged into the tank, plus some weight on the inner foot. The rider in this picture is leaned of the bike correctly. (Important Saftey Note: please, please do not try to attempt this whilst riding, if you do, and you crash or fall off, please don't blame me. This is a static exercise only)

[phil24_7]

Interesting thread, food for thought for my first proper track day in April.

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That last long post is an interesting read, I do some things right but some things wrong, going to be weird trying to sit really far back, not least because I naturally slide forward lol.

My feet are defo right but my Knees, arms and body angle need some serious work, tried it briefly today and it felt very weird, going to take some practice

[chris8886]

Originally Posted by G

That last long post is an interesting read, I do some things right but some things wrong, going to be weird trying to sit really far back, not least because I naturally slide forward lol.

My feet are defo right but my Knees, arms and body angle need some serious work, tried it briefly today and it felt very weird, going to take some practice

that's exactly the problem i always have! just can't stay at the back of the seat!

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Originally Posted by chris8886

that's exactly the problem i always have! just can't stay at the back of the seat!

I think its partly that it feels more comfortable and the slippyness of the seat. I have seen those stomp grips but never fancied them on my road fairings, might try some on my trackones.