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Old 09-09-18, 07:42 PM   #31
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I actually did reference the source I quoted. The link is here http://www.prisonstudies.org/sites/d..._edition_1.pdf

Another interesting read is https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...0/#!po=26.0563 which goes some way to explain a PROPORTIONATE level of prison population by minority groups.

When quoting prisoners without trial it is a little misleading to include those who pleaded guilty. The alternative is to have someone plead guilty but then still go through the trial to prove guilt. That's a waste of time and money. You also have to remember that figure includes plea bargains. So the low trial rate reflects only those who pleaded innocent and then were found guilty. The concerning figure is that of people in prison awaiting trial.

The most shocking statistic to look at is the number of people in prison awaiting trial per 100,000 of the national population.
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Old 09-09-18, 08:03 PM   #32
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Black African Americans are massively disproportionately appearing in violent crime stats, but in these enlightened times there is more and more pressure from swivel eyed dogmatic lefties and liberals to stop criminals being identified by ethnicity so in future crime stats will be politically correct and meaningless.


You miss the context in contemporary America.
It was just 50 years ago that race riots were rife and MLK was killed. Racial hatred still exists and is overt - I've heard of close family members verbally, fortunately not physically, abused in the street on grounds of race. There are all to frequent tales of police brutality towards African-Americans - just last week a police officer shot and killed a black man who was sitting in his own flat, the officer claimed she was confused and thought she was in her own flat?!? But the list of cases is long and well documented. Just one list of cases is here https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...ers/469467002/

Articles such as this one https://www.vox.com/cards/police-bru...-police-racism only highlight part of the issue.

But to dismiss the whole issue as political correctness driven by "swivel eyes" is rather like denying institutional racism in the Metropolitan Police at the time of the Stephen Lawrence case.
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Old 10-09-18, 03:21 PM   #33
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You can make all the excuses you like, but it is obvious that African Americans are killing far more members of all other racial groups ( including Hispanics and other blacks ) than they should be. If you want to stop other people picking on you the best thing to do is make sure they know you mean them no harm, take the moral high ground. If you are a minority group in a country (13% of population) it is obvious that violence will get you nowhere, it will only get you targeted as trouble makers and make people's trigger fingers very itchy when you are around..
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Old 10-09-18, 04:51 PM   #34
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Stop reading the daily mail, its melting your brain.
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Old 11-09-18, 09:47 AM   #35
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Since we have drifted seriously

I bring your attention back to the original article which has now been updated with another guy teaching Nike what they can do with their shoes. He even arranges the shoes for the camera so you can see the capital "N" on them...wait, isn't that...oh well, it's the thought that counts, I suppose.

https://www.thepoke.co.uk/2018/09/11...hoolboy-error/

I keep thinking that people cannot be that stupid but they keep demonstrating otherwise, therefore I have a cunning, mad scientist plan; I develop a persistent, airborne contraceptive and you only get the antidote if you pass an intelligence test. Solves the stupidity of mankind, reduces the population and makes me rich. Pass me that biology introduction book.
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Old 11-09-18, 11:01 AM   #36
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I keep thinking that people cannot be that stupid but they keep demonstrating otherwise, therefore I have a cunning, mad scientist plan; I develop a persistent, airborne contraceptive and you only get the antidote if you pass an intelligence test. Solves the stupidity of mankind, reduces the population and makes me rich. Pass me that biology introduction book.
dont know about all that but my porridge oats were not milled properly when i poured them out the new packet this morning. looked at the packet and yup it said GIANT porridge oats, its a conspiracy i tell thee.
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Old 12-09-18, 02:59 AM   #37
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A few answers to clear up some misconceptions.



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Most higher tech white collar crime (fraud etc) carried out by whites, most drug and street crime probably by blacks. You don't normally get shot by police for white collar crime.....

Simples........


Drug crimes are prevalent among all races.




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Because the "justice system" in the USA is run as a private industry.
People are incarcerated in order to provide slave labour for big business.

95% of prison inmates in the USA have never been to trial.
Only the rich elite has access to justice, because only they can afford it.


Er..what????
FALSE
Sorry, not one word of that is true.






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you also have to remember the 3 times rule, if you commit a crime no matter how trivial and it is more than three times its an automatic jail sentence in America unless your lawyer is very very good.


It's up to the Judge whether to hit you with the "3 strike rule" or not, if it's trivial enough and there is no victim he may not, but I wouldn't count on it.
If they they do charge you, yes, it is an automatic sentence, you are escorted from the courtroom to the jail to serve that sentence AND the suspended sentences you got for the first 2 crimes.

Even if you are not jailed for a crime in the US you are given a suspended sentence and if you break your terms of suspension you will serve that sentence. Applies to any crime.





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you would have to ask BanannaMan about this but i'm sure that if your caught a third time there is no trial as the judge either finds you guilty or not.


As noted above, True


there are two different levels of prosecution. a trial by jury and a bench trial. every single person has a bench trial but not everyone has a trial by jury.

True.
Smaller crimes involved in civil court (money disputes, etc.) get bench trials.
If you lose a bench trial, you can (possibly) appeal and then have a jury trial but if you are guilty or think you will be found guilty it would be a mistake.
Jury trials for civil matters are often called "Double or Nothing" as the penalty will be much worse if you lose the jury trial.
Note, if there is undeniable evidence of your guilt the judge will not grant you an appeal.





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When quoting prisoners without trial it is a little misleading to include those who pleaded guilty. The alternative is to have someone plead guilty but then still go through the trial to prove guilt. That's a waste of time and money. You also have to remember that figure includes plea bargains. So the low trial rate reflects only those who pleaded innocent and then were found guilty.

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There is only a trial if a not guilty plea is entered.

True and most make plea deals and plead guilty to get reduced sentences and fines.
The penalties are worse if you lose in a trial, so if you are guilty it's your best bet.
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