Gaza and Israel

Hey folks,

For someone who is decidedly into History and current affairs, I have to admit I know very little (read nothing) about the conflict going on.

Anybody care to enlighten me?

[PyroUK]

One bunch of ass holes doesn't like another bunch of ass holes and they have decided to bomb the shyte out of each other.

The rest of the world takes what one side says as gospel and backs them up (Israel) despite the fact that they are wounding and killing civilians. Oh and they have bigger guns

[Biker Biggles]

Two tribes competing over the same bit of land/limited resourses results in much bloodshed.Yes there are historical details,but this is much the same as any other conflict throughout history.

I spent way too long reading and watching video's on the history behind it a few weeks ago.

Basically we (as in the British) promised Palestine to 3 different groups during World War II in return for fighting against the Nazi's. After the war a (not particularly fair) dishing out of the country happened.

As soon as the British pulled out of Palestine the state of Israel was formed, and was promptly attacked by 5 different armies on the same day. The Jews fought back and eventually won the Israel Arab war. Through no small part, due to the training the received from the British army.

Since then they have proceeded to occupy far more than the lands originally given to them and have pushed the Palestinians out.

They have turned Gaza into the worlds largest open air prison. Blockaded from land and sea.

Yes, Hamas fire rockets into Israel. However, these are mere fireworks compared to the might of the Israel army. Their American funded missile defence shield prevents what few of these rockets actually go in roughly the right direction from hitting their targets.

In the last 15 years 28 Israelis have died from these rocket attacks. In the current Gaza conflict alone over 1000 Palestinians have died.

If you take away one thing from reading this then let it be that this is not a war of equals.

[dizzyblonde]

Occupation and Ethnic Cleansing. Pure and simple.


Very reminiscent of the 1974 invasion of Cyprus, on many levels.


Gaza is a similar size to Leeds, in fact I believe Leeds to be slightly bigger. Israel is about a third of the size of England. Gaza is inhabited by about 1.85 million people. Average age is about 30yrs(or there abouts according to one report). Kind of puts the land and population into perspective a little.


Israel have far more sophisticated weaponary than Hamas do, perfectly obvious by the casualty statistics. As above Gaza is totally blocked in for those casualties to escape. Egypt have blocked their crossings, I think this was due to the amount of Syrian refugees(might be wrong), Palestinians are far from going to get fair passage through Israel, so where do they go? Swim?

[timwilky]

A squabble between neighbours.

You reap what you sow. It is a no win situation. Lots of wrongs on both sides.

No one has a moral high ground on this.

[dizzyblonde]

Originally Posted by timwilky

A squabble between neighbours.

You reap what you sow. It is a no win situation. Lots of wrongs on both sides.

No one has a moral high ground on this.

The only people who lose, are the people who are trying to live their lives. Unfortunately, the religious politicians/military running their countries feel it is their god given right to use their people as pawns.

Originally Posted by timwilky

A squabble between neighbours.

You reap what you sow. It is a no win situation. Lots of wrongs on both sides.

No one has a moral high ground on this.

I'm trying to express how opposed to that view I am without offending you. Honestly, if you read into the history I don't see any way a reasonable person could believe the Palestinian situations is a squabble between neighbours.

[Matt-EUC]

War is stupid. Needlessly killing thousands of people to gain what is ultimately very little.

What is happening is akin to throwing water balloons at a brick wall. You can throw as many as you like, but you're still the only ones getting wet.


Sent via the medium of interpretive dance.

[Mark_h]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mR1LGoNg5p4