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09-12-18, 02:15 PM | #21 | |
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Likewise death penalty probably did not prevent murder ( but how does anyone know) because murder is normally a last resort and probably not many thought about the consequences at the time.
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09-12-18, 02:37 PM | #22 |
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It should be but's not unfortunately
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As well as being a utterly fascinating (and grimly sobering) read, in the book's epilogue he writes that, in his opinion, the death sentence is ineffective as a deterrent: every person he hanged for the crime of murder was fully aware of the consequences they faced if they were caught. I'm a woolly-minded-liberal-with-a-small-'l' Guardian reader, but in terms of scooter thieves, I have no problem with the police knocking them off the scooter if they won't stop when pursued. If someone decides to try and flee arrest after committing a crime, then the police should use all means necessary to stop them. |
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Make your mind up. Looking at reoffending stats from other countries and comparing them with the prison / law enforcement policies in those countries would give you a far better idea of what actually works than reading the Daily (hate) Mail etc. https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...4-12?r=UK&IR=T |
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Prisons should use this, if the death penalty isn't enough. Solitary confinement with Barry Manilow on constant loop. I'd kill myself after a few days. Problem solved. |
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10-12-18, 10:12 AM | #26 |
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I have friends (and family) that were teenage scroats and rode the system. But in that time the system had an end. Borstal. None went back.
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yup i had a mate when i was younger that went to the jaggy jumper hame. he was a different person when he got out.
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10-12-18, 01:47 PM | #28 |
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Re: the rights of the citizen versus society
I'm not sure we want to turn this thread into another 'Crime and Punishment', but I can't resist the prison question. In our society prison has many functions, some contradictory.
1) Punishment - a penalty for breaking the law 2) Deterrence - the need to deter people from committing crime 3) Detention - keep the scrotes off the streets so they can't commit crimes 4) Rehabilitation - turn them into functional members of society 5) Retribution - for the victims or for society?? Take your pick of which is most important !! Last edited by keith_d; 10-12-18 at 01:55 PM. |
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Deterrence. Because if deter them, say using aversion therapy then you have less need of the other four. Or am I being taking a to simplistic view.
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It's probably the cheaper of the 4
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