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Old 02-08-17, 10:32 AM   #41
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I've worked in the engine design/development industry for 40yrs. The technical issues can be sorted, the technology is still very young but is progressing rapidly. 23yrs away is an awful long time.


Some foreign folk made statements (Volvo, Macron etc) so someone in Westminster thought they better come up with something.


The real problem we have, as in all aspects of life, is that politicians get involved in making sweeping decisions with little or no strategic planning behind it and absolutely no ability to implement tactical solutions. Look at their track record. Brexit, no-one will vote for that, Trump, no-one will vote for him, General Election to get the Tories a bigger majority, invoke Article 50 without the need for an Act of Parliament to authorise it, challenge the first Court's decision on that, introduce charges for industrial tribunals, etc. They come up with these sweeping idealistic statements knowing full well that they are totally meaningless.


Personally I won't lose any sleep over this half-baked press announcement, which is pure sound-bite. Never mind what might happen in 23yrs time, I'd rather a few politicians actually got their backsides in gear regarding Brexit, the most immediate and potentially disastrous issue concerning the UK at the moment. Just so many things to address, where do we start? As Barnier said, it would be very helpful if Davis et al knew what they actually want?


All we need is for an international EV charging standard to be established, and the UK decides on the three pin plug instead.
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Old 02-08-17, 10:53 AM   #42
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Old 02-08-17, 11:30 AM   #43
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Don't know if this is true but,a guy who said he worked on the Highways reckoned that in an accident they have to throw a chain into an electric vehicle to earth it before they emergency personnel will go anywhere near them
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Old 02-08-17, 11:35 AM   #44
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Brexit, the most immediate and potentially disastrous issue concerning the UK at the moment. Just so many things to address, where do we start? As Barnier said, it would be very helpful if Davis et al knew what they actually want?
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It would have been nice if we knew where the Common market (good idea) was going when UK voted to join (they didn't actually, by the time Harold Wilson had a hasty referendum to legalise things, where the question was phrased 'do you want to REMAIN a member of CM we were already a member due to the fact that Ted Heath took us in illegally with a parliamentary vote, not a referendum as required a couple of years earlier).

It would be nice to know what Federal states of EU want, article 50 never been used before, was never expected to be used and apart from demanding eye watering sums of money with menaces to fund a club we will not be a member of soon. The truth is we both need each other, but the percentage of world trade EU handles is falling rapidly, so we need rest of world as well, without EU negotiating our trading terms with it.
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Old 02-08-17, 11:43 AM   #45
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Old 02-08-17, 12:13 PM   #47
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It would have been nice if we knew where the Common market (good idea) was going when UK voted to join (they didn't actually, .... stuff.
I wasn't being contentious on the decision, it's a done deal. We just need to have some confidence that it's being managed at least vaguely competently. We decided to leave, the EU are asking us what we want, they aren't leading the process, we are (or should be). I just want Davis etc to show us that they have a vague idea what they are doing and what it is that they are taking us into.
All of which is a mere sideshow compared to the critical issue of whether we will still be offered petrol/diesel cars in 2040.......... not.
Anything could happen before 2040, diesel/petrol/EV/hybrid is simply not something to spend any time debating at this point in time. I'd rather the politicians concentrate on matters in hand.
Just saying ..............
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Old 02-08-17, 01:19 PM   #48
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Hi, thought I join the discussion as I've got 2 electric cars, Zoe's. Yep we lease the batteries from Renault for £69 a month. For me and the my missus it suits what we need them for, we mainly charge our Zoe's at home once a week and that does me for dropping kids at school and getting to work and back, plus what ever I need to do over the weekends.

I'm getting roughly 110 to 115 miles from a single charge, which drops to around 80 in winter but then the batteries feel the cold.

I understand people's concerns on the lease being quite expensive but leasing does include breakdown, flat tyres etc and, yes, they'll pick you up if you run out of charge and take you to the nearest charging point. Also if the battery health drops to less than 70% they have to replace it.

The longest I've travelled was a 256 mile round trip to Richmond in Yorkshire, which used 4 (2 there and 2 back) motorway stops and cost me the grand total of £24.

Motorway charging isn't too bad, as they have the rapid chargers they can get you back up to nearly full in 30 minutes, so by the time you've stretched your legs and gone in for a drink it's nearly done. They've since changed their pricing structure so its a £3 connection fee and then 17p a unit. My last charge came to £4.80 to get me a full battery, so over 100 miles.

Running costs are small. 1st and 2nd services cost £82 each. The third is the expensive one LOL as they have to replace the 12V battery so comes in around £130.

We've not even noticed a massive hike in our home electric bills. Family of 4 with 2 electric cars and our monthly electric bill is £66 a month. We pay no vehicle tax and obviously no MOT as they're under 3 years old.

I know they're not for everyone and each situation is different but we did make savings switching to electric and must say enjoy having them.

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Interesting that from someone with real world experience. As I stated previously, it was the battery lease cost put us off due to it being a fixed £69 cost, which is more than our petrol cost for the Citigo. £69 will buy me approx. 660 miles in the Citigo. For what you pay, you get 4x115 miles per month (one charge a week) = 460 miles for £69 (plus charging costs of 2p/mile?). It still seems like a poor bargain to me. Obviously doing more miles brings the per mile cost of the Zoe down, but these are not suitable as 12K a year cars right now so a little pointless to compare.

Can you explain if I got the maths wrong or if indeed it seems that cost per mile of the Zoe is still more than a modern small car of similar size / power?
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Yeah that sounds about right. We swapped from a 02 Focus automatic, which took more than £70 a month in fuel for less miles. We did umm and arrh about going for a smaller engine/car but what we found was that due to the Zoe having no real engine and the fact the seats etc are pushed forward it feels like we had more space than the 5 door focus without sacrificing the boot space.

The zoe's boot can fit both the kids bikes in and a few other bits, granted they are children's bikes but I can also get the mother in laws wheel chair in when we take her out. Looking at other smaller cars we would be loosing that space.
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