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Old 20-11-18, 01:41 AM   #21
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if there were no food banks then the public would demand more from their government.

yes its damned hard being unemployed and homeless (been there) but its attitude that gets you out of it. getting up and running away to somewhere different doesn't make things better all you are doing is taking your useless sorry arz with your problems somewhere else. sounds harsh but its the reality.

the public have nobody to blame but themselves for the way the country is. people keep mindlessly voting for parties with a track record of fekin the country but still vote the same way every time.

its now got to the stage where people think voting and the Government is a reality show on TV, "i'm a politician, get me out of here".
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Old 20-11-18, 09:45 AM   #22
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the public have nobody to blame but themselves for the way the country is. people keep mindlessly voting for parties with a track record of fekin the country but still vote the same way every time.
A lot of truth in that but ultimately there is no other credible choice. Independents are unlikely to make a difference as the established parties will likely ignore them and even with the best will and intentions a single councillor/MP will not be able to change anything. Marginal parties may have a slightly better chance with their comparatively larger size but most have a single agenda and are unlikely to be able to cope with the rest of the daily and long-term requirements of governing.

In an ideal world you would have a coalition of parties each looking after their key areas but as we've seen in other countries where this is the norm getting agreements to start with is often impossible (look at Belgium) and it only takes one of the parties to lose some ground or traction and the coalition falls apart or argues about who should be in charge of what (Germany). The Con/Lib coalition we had a few years ago was fraught with disagreements and we're doomed if single parties cannot stop in-fighting.

That sounds so depressing now I've read that back...
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Old 20-11-18, 10:23 AM   #23
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Ah, yes.
The remoaners who say that if they wait long enough, older people ( who remember the good old days ) will pop their clogs, to be replaced in the polling booths by feckless yoofs ( who have been comprehensively brainwashed into embracing the EC way )
Pretty despicable if you ask me - and if you don't!

The idea of repeated referenda until the 'right' result is obtained is, of course one of the prime tactics of the EC.
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I read a report the other day that said voters get 1.5% more conservative every year as they age ( ie. get more experience of life ), sounds about right to me. The other thing that is wrong is votes for 16 year olds, the socialists and libs will always push that agenda as they like to catch people while they are still politically naive and and will believe that money really does grow on trees, and before they get experienced enough in the reality of life and politics not to vote for them. We have quite a few teachers in our extended family and they all agree that 16 year olds still can't decide what they want for lunch, let alone what party their poor unformed brain would like to see in government..
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Old 20-11-18, 10:29 AM   #24
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well, we got to page 2 and haven't mentioned the war...
Another Quote: " neo-Nazis came to believe that the rise of the Fourth Reich in Germany would pave the way for the establishment of the Western Imperium, a pan-Aryan world empire encompassing all land populated by predominantly European-descended peoples (i.e., Europe, Russia, Anglo-America, Australia, South America's Southern Cone, New Zealand, South Africa) "
So, that's the fourth - what number are we up to now?
Having voted for Ted Heath's Common Market, that alliance has altered out of all recognition! Trade, Yes, Loss of ALL Sovereignty, NO NO NO!
Some of us are dog lovers, and the old fashioned way to house train a puppy was to ' rub it's nose in it '. Guess what the EC is starting to do to us for having the audacity to leave their organisation?
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My European friends simply cannot fathom what it is the UK wants out of it, and I reassure them that we don't know either.
Macron is on record recently as saying that he dare not hold a referendum in France because they would vote leave, Netherlands and Austria the same, Italy will doubtless be leaving soon followed by Poland and Hungary. Being in the EU has done Greece and Spain no good ( unless you call 50% youth unemployment a good thing) once the EU bribery money stopped flowing in from the people that actually contributed to the political club. If you call the Euro the Deutschmark you will get an idea who really benefited the most from the Euro.
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mind you its getting like mini England up here. the English are invading again but this time without guns. Scotland's population is growing not due to Europeans but the English. i'm not joking, they are moving up in their droves.
To access the better services in Scotland paid for by rest of UK...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ncome-tax.html

Maybe because SNP are so anti nuclear and anti- English then the UK should withdraw defence bases and having our ships built in Scotland and see the economy tumble, then the economy of Yorkshire would be greater than Scotland ( it was greater until recently and it is still pretty close now) - and in 2008 rest of UK bailed out all the main Scottish Banks and lost money on the deal - LOL
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Old 20-11-18, 11:35 AM   #27
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To access the better services in Scotland paid for by rest of UK...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...ncome-tax.html

Maybe because SNP are so anti nuclear and anti- English then the UK should withdraw defence bases and having our ships built in Scotland and see the economy tumble, then the economy of Yorkshire would be greater than Scotland ( it was greater until recently and it is still pretty close now) - and in 2008 rest of UK bailed out all the main Scottish Banks and lost money on the deal - LOL
lets say nothing about the £18bl Scotland has had cut due to finding the income through home generated tax... ooohhh look thats £18bl that Westminster is not sending north.

even if Scotland were still being paid the measly £50bl budget we were still able to give free prescriptions, a better NHS and free higher education tuition fees... hows that for a kick in the stains to Westminster. Its Westminster that cant keep a grip on their finances.. the UK national debt is in the trillions and NONE of it has been spent in Scotland as it gets a budget with the very very very occasional top up.

Scotland, NI and Wales only get a budget not a massive pot sitting in BOE that they can dip into anytime they like and thats the problem as Westminster keeps dipping into the pot and getting the rest of us into debt. its like having a junkie parent to the rest of us.

just think if Scotland were to raise tax by 2% and have 1/2 price prescriptions what they would achieve with all that extra income.

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Is that a Declaration of War on London, good Sir ?
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Old 20-11-18, 11:59 AM   #29
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my 4 bed semi (dormer bungalow) is worth £130k (maybe).
nowt to do with it being in Grimsby

with 4 bedrooms maybe you could take in some local homeless people to keep you company, they can even nip down the food bank and get shopping
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oohhh and i used to think of my self as first and foremost an Earthling then European, British then Scottish. my birth certificate actually says British not Scottish which is fairly rare up here in kiltland.

back to the EU and Brexit... whats going to happen with the handouts we were getting by having members of other European country's inhabitants staying on after brexit? it was my understanding that the EU gave the UK some subsidy's for this or am i wrong...
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