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[Bibio]

Originally Posted by ophic

Great idea but you'd just end up with secret agreements between groups of CDs aka parties, but no longer up front.

Overviews are easy - it's the actual implementation details where most sensible suggestions fall down. Brexit included.

yup but the public would have a say unlike at the moment where the majority party has overall power against every other party. nothing is ever perfect and corruption is everywhere. if any one or a group of members are rubbish then they can individually be voted out leaving the good members.

with a political party all its members are voted in/out with the party regardless of how good they are so in turn the public loose good honest politicians or in the case of the Libs etc.etc never get a chance to prove themselves.

[ophic]

Originally Posted by Bibio

yup but the public would have a say unlike at the moment where the majority party has overall power against every other party. nothing is ever perfect and corruption is everywhere. if any one or a group of members are rubbish then they can individually be voted out leaving the good members.

with a political party all its members are voted in/out with the party regardless of how good they are so in turn the public loose good honest politicians or in the case of the Libs etc.etc never get a chance to prove themselves.

Every MP, from which the party leader picks her gov't, has to be voted in already, so I don't see the benefit.

The whole point of the current system is to create a majority so things can get done. Otherwise everyone just bickers and progress is slow or non-existent. It's simple for binary issues, and you'd think Brexit would be one, but no. You've got a continuum of opinions where "in" and "out" are just the 2 extreme bounds.

[littleoldman2]

The parties would just reform as "interest groups" like Momentum that runs and rules Labour in all but name.

[embee]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

https://www.brexbot.com/2018/11/19/t...s-conventions/

The solution to that is simple, a hard border on the island of Ireland and no conditions to the exit, but that seems to be a solution which neither side of the border is prepared to adopt.
The draft Withdrawal Agreement is a mutually arrived at document, not something being imposed upon either side by the other, so I'm not sure how the various rights are being abused.

Bear in mind that our government was all for invoking article 50 without an Act of Parliament to authorise it, contrary to the law as defined in the 1972 European Communities Act (a totally domestic UK Act of Parliament which laid down the terms and conditions and process of the UK joining and potentially exiting the EU). It took a private action and a High Court judgement to point out that the government did not have authority to do it without an Act of Parliament. This kind of indicates the attitude of those in power to the law, they'll try to do what they think they can get away with.

[Bibio]

Originally Posted by ophic

Every MP, from which the party leader picks her gov't, has to be voted in already, so I don't see the benefit.

The whole point of the current system is to create a majority so things can get done. Otherwise everyone just bickers and progress is slow or non-existent. It's simple for binary issues, and you'd think Brexit would be one, but no. You've got a continuum of opinions where "in" and "out" are just the 2 extreme bounds.

yes but they are party members with party agendas bullied by whips.

a majority of a party with party agendas not public agendas. less bickering due to no party polices.


if there are no political parties then there are no "ideals". members would be on their toes more due to being "individual" and responsible to the public. the only people that can remove a political member are the public. i personally think that more would get done and more scrutiny of public funds.

[Bibio]

BTW nobody seems to be asking WHERE IS ALL THE MONEY. cost cutting of public services, selling off of public land that was one hospitals etc.etc, removal of public services like hospitals and staff, selling off nationalised companies at "reduced worth". so where is all this money that has been saved?. i could go on and on.

[punyXpress]

" Apart from some of the rather bonkers stuff regarding fishing quotas "
says the bloke who lives as far from the sea as anyone.
No chippies in your part of the country ?
Even the Scots are reduced to deep-frying Mars bars and pizzas

[punyXpress]

Originally Posted by embee

Bear in mind that our government was all for invoking article 50 without an Act of Parliament to authorise it, contrary to the law as defined in the 1972 European Communities Act (a totally domestic UK Act of Parliament which laid down the terms and conditions and process of the UK joining and potentially exiting the EU). It took a private action and a High Court judgement to point out that the government did not have authority to do it without an Act of Parliament. This kind of indicates the attitude of those in power to the law, they'll try to do what they think they can get away with.

Although called The European Communities Act 1972, it relates to the EEC,
and the Coal and Steel Community - no mention of the European Union !
We were taken over by stealth, and I fail to see the legitimacy of THAT!

[Talking Heads]

Originally Posted by punyXpress

We were taken over

Another one fallen for the bull**** propaganda.

The EU has never "taken over" member states.

[SV650rules]

If EU has never taken over countries, why is it so hard to leave ? The truth is that Heath and his cronies knew that ever closer political union and a federal super state was the ultimate goal of the EU. Foreign and commonwealth office paper released a few years ago tell the sorry tale of deceit and disregard for the people of UK by politicians and establishment.

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