Halal meat

bad news for you big man, pigs don't get stunned just a couple of million volts thru the temple
so no more bacon for poor owenski

[JulesW]

Originally Posted by Owenski

9 pages of utter guff.
I wont eat lamb through principal but I do eat all other meats.

Owenski, what is it about lamb that makes you avoid it?

I have always considered lamb to be one of animals that gets a better ride from birth to dinner table. They graze outdoors and have a social life before slaughter. Many pigs, veal calves, chickens and foie gras geese have a rather unpleasant life before death releases them.

Aye Dave they're zapped into unconciousness before they're butchered. I think thats gotta be pretty quick, compare it to the vid in my link and decide for your self

Jules,
My stance is 2 fold pal, well 3 if you count that im a softy.
1. Shortly after learning to drive I recall pulling up along side a slaughter house lorry (ironically at what i now know to be the halal plant at junction 40 of the M1). Anyway I turned to my right to see the open slats, expecting to see cows/sheep I instead saw nothing... then noticed the lower slat and although they were not tiny teeny lambs they were clearly not adult. I felt heart broken for them to be making that journey, it made an instant connection to the History Id just studied and those people on the trains to the death camps of ww2.
I couldnt eat another lamb since. All that potential and life just lost, taken from them before they even matured its just sad.

2. Since then and not too long ago my feelings were affirmed when watching a nature doc.
A Cheetah mother had a cub, during her hunting the cub was at the den and attacked by a snake. the mother returned to find her cub dead, she cried. then ran off tracking the snake to kill it. She returned to her cub and for 48hours straight she mourned it, for several more dayd she still called for it.
This showed me that animals do have maternal instinct and care for their young just as we do. It is that sense of taking a baby from its mother with the soul purpose of killing it that I also struggle with.

And no I wont est veil either.

3. im a softy...

So yeah thats my reasons for not eating lamb. Although im not one of those who then stops others doing so. My wife loves lamb shank and has it at any oportunity but me, I wont choose to on the above basis and it doesnt matter how they're killed, those principals will remain so Im eternally lamb free.


Someone better with these things than I am, please make this link work.
Its a video of some slaughter houses working. Not for the weak stomached.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=545_1...2iTQC2szc3J.01

the slaughter house was my first job after leaving school
my biggest memory
full fry up double everything 50p (and that was for the tatty bread)


ps the interview was 10 guys being walked thru the kill floor, anyone who didn't b line for the door ( 2 of us) were welcomed with open arms

Originally Posted by davepreston

the slaughter house was my first job after leaving school

Same here Dave, local Butcher/slaughter house, free lance work fa butchers/farmers/small holders etc......paid cash & "in kind" (meat).
If its come out of a slaughtered animal (beast/pig/sheep/fowl) I've eaten it!!! Some of the best/tastiest meat is stuff the public generally dont see/consider (lamb/calf suckin glands) etc



"Gas it w###a".........

[Teejayexc]

Shouldn't these posts be in the ...


Phuket, Food thread ?

[JulesW]

Owenski, thanks for the thorough reply. IMO, lambs get a much better deal than pigs. Most porkers and baconers spend their short lives in minute concrete pens. They don't get to socialise, they see no sun and don't get to forage outside. Don't even think about high volume chicken production, it is disgusting.

While Halal slaughter methods might disturb some people, industrialised meat production is a much more serious issue when it comes to the quality of animal husbandry.

[Fallout]

Originally Posted by yorkie_chris

Ridiculous welfare concerns? Adrenaline taints the meat, you don't want to kill an animal that's stressed.

The ultimate evil is not the kill, it is being inhumane.

Pretty sure the animals aren't calm before their execution, no matter which method you use at the abattoir. They're bricking it the whole time. The adrenaline argument doesn't seem valid unless you compare a slaughtered animal to a free hunted animal, shot unexpectedly perhaps.

Also I respectfully disagree on the ultimate evil argument. It's inhumane to give someone a beating, but give someone the choice of a beating or a painless instant death and I'm pretty sure what 99% of people (or animals if they had the mental capacity) would choose. Murder is the ultimate evil.

Originally Posted by Owenski

Someone better with these things than I am, please make this link work.
Its a video of some slaughter houses working. Not for the weak stomached.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=545_1...2iTQC2szc3J.01

After watching the 'mexican chainsaw' video (just...don't o.k) I thought I could stomach most things but that was just bloody awful mate. I've always wondered how one human being can chop another's head off and not think twice about it but now I know. Where do i sign the anti-halal petition??

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Fallout

Also I respectfully disagree on the ultimate evil argument. It's inhumane to give someone a beating, but give someone the choice of a beating or a painless instant death and I'm pretty sure what 99% of people (or animals if they had the mental capacity) would choose. Murder is the ultimate evil.

The comparison should be getting a kicking then being killed. Giving a cow a bit of a shoeing isn't going to put it on your plate is it?

They're bred for meat, their fate is pretty sealed from birth. What's your argument, that you could butcher it live and it wouldn't be any worse because murder is the ultimate evil? Don't be daft.