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Old 06-05-18, 04:37 PM   #11
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Licence clean currently? I hate the sweating it out but 3 points (possibly awareness course) isn't the end of the world...

It's weird though, how invisible a vehicle covered in HI-VIZ decals is... Chameleon vans..
yes, clean license
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no, not the end of the world (first world problem?)

makes me wonder, if I can't see hi viz decals when riding, what else am I missing?
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Old 06-05-18, 04:56 PM   #12
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Not just yourself, the colours don't contrast with leafy green things well so a clever hidey spot for the van
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Old 06-05-18, 05:04 PM   #13
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It might depend on which way the van was facing. Not all of them have cameras in both windows but they can do either. The most common layout is the speed radar in the rear window and the number plate snapper in the front I think.
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Old 06-05-18, 07:13 PM   #14
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My Curvy speedo reads over as well.We have LED speed warning signs on the main road near my house and at 30 on my speedo it shows around 27/28 Mph.Same with other ones in the city/roads.

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Old 06-05-18, 09:14 PM   #15
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You could be lucky yet.
Speedos are not always 100% accurate, they are allowed to over-read by up to 10%
If your speedo is say 4% out (not uncommon) and you briefly hit 70 indicated that would be 67.2 actual
There's usually a "tolerance" of 10% over the limit plus 2mph, i.e. 68
Speed limit + 10% + 2MPH

As long as you're within that, you'll be offered a course (assuming you've not been on the same one within 3 years) - they won't say "better let him off, might be inaccurate"
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Old 09-05-18, 06:55 AM   #16
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I'm afraid that isn't a rule, it's a guideline. I did a SAC about 18 months ago. At the start they read out how much we were each over the limit. I was in a class with people who got done doing 33 in a 30 and 77 on the M25.

Essex police are strict and said that the 10% + 2 is a myth. They can enforce the speed limit. And they don't have to offer you a course, even if your licence has previously been clean for years.

My misdemeanor was doing 37 through the Blackwell tunnel in the car. It's 40 either side, drops to 30 in the tunnel and I was going at the same speed as everyone else so I suspect a lot of people get caught out. I now don't assume I can add a few miles on to allow for my speedo plus extra percentages.
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Speed limit + 10% + 2MPH

As long as you're within that, you'll be offered a course (assuming you've not been on the same one within 3 years) - they won't say "better let him off, might be inaccurate"
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Old 09-05-18, 07:00 AM   #17
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I got a new car last week. I'm still impressed by the button that limits the car to the speed limit.
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Old 09-05-18, 07:03 AM   #18
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This is a good article on the subject.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/adv...peeding-fines/

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Old 09-05-18, 07:28 AM   #19
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Red Ones, I like that button too!


My SV reads 9% over compared to my satnav.


Seeker - On a plus side, at least you weren't hitting triple figures.
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Old 09-05-18, 07:32 AM   #20
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The authorities would do well to consider where they want to go with the future of traffic enforcement. When otherwise responsible and law abiding citizens start to feel unfairly victimised there is a tendency for them to take disproportionate steps to counter it and that can have unintended consequences. At the moment pretty much all their enforcement options, and your vulnerability, are based on you being honest enough to correctly register your vehicle, and to display the correct number plate. You only have to sit in the lines of commuter traffic going into London each morning to count the number of bikes going past that have dirty unreadable number plates (even at this time of year), plates angled so they can't be read, plates "accidentally" covered by their lock wrapped around the rack, or a number of other measures to stop their plate being read. Remember, these are individuals who are getting up every morning and going into work, people who would generally fall into that slightly more respectable branches of society......

Then you only have to go to your average Wednesday evening biker meet. Sure, there have always been the local idiot but the number of groups I now see riding around with plates hidden up under the mudguard, or no plates at all has multiple over recent years. It suddenly becomes a "them and us" situation with bikers uniting to rebel against a cause..... just look at that other thread over the use of a Stinger!

I'm all for road safety, I spend a huge amount of my time promoting it, but you won't find me preaching you achieve it by forcing motorists to comply with speed limits. I'd rather spend my time encouraging them to appreciate the potential hazards and to select an appropriate speed to deal with them. Unfortunately my approach isn't a particularly good business model......
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