What's the story with English rugby? - SV650.org

13-11-06, 05:21 AM

Seriously, can someone explain to me how a decent enough side, decent enough to jammy their way to a world cup victory, gets beaten by basically every one they play since?

Argentina just hockeyed them out of it today

http://sport.guardian.co.uk/rugbyuni...src=rss&feed=1

(Arg are a decent team really, but, their seventh consecutive loss...?)

While its funny and everything, I am a bit amazed I have to say.
What's going on?

13-11-06, 08:27 AM

Robinsons a

Corry's got no respect from his players.

13-11-06, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by cuffy

Robinsons a

I feel sorry for Robinson. He's a good forwards coach but he's not even being allowed to do that.

Watching from the sidelines, it looks to me like the players are too big and are being over-coached; there's a lack of speed (movement and thought). Contast that with the Welsh who are playing with a smile on their faces and with a free spirit.........

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Originally Posted by cuffy

Corry's got no respect from his players.

That might be true.

13-11-06, 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by philipMac

Seriously, can someone explain to me how a decent enough side, decent enough to jammy their way to a world cup victory, gets beaten by basically every one they play since?

Cos it's not the same side, without the same back-up and to be honest, to my mind, without the same driving goal.

We've lost a few key personalities rather than actual players and the mentality and drive they took with them has left a far bigger gap that the skill base.

Skills can be replicated (to a certain extent) and the players as individuals have got what it takes - but they're just not a team and it shows.
The world cup team - for all their faults at times - did gel well.

The simple fact is that they should be doing better, (as all the key parts are there...) but they not, and unfortunately getting slated by the press is just going to demolralise them I think, rather than going to make them buck-up and turnaround - simply because I don't think they've got the mental strength or driving figurehead to pull them up.

13-11-06, 09:41 AM

Wrong shaped ball?

Luckypants · 13-11-06, 10:09 AM

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Originally Posted by philipMac

Argentina just hockeyed them out of it today

HA! HA!

Sorry but as a Welshman, it's my patriotic duty!

northwind · 13-11-06, 10:32 AM

I was really impressed by how well most people seem to be reacting to it, I'd assumed that the press would all be out for scalps but even right after the game it was fairly level-headed. Argentina just played better, England weren't particularily bad.

Usually (racist stereotype approaching) English sports fans seem to take victory for granted, and it's an outrage if they don't get it- it's a damn shame, because it totally undervalues the teams' achievements when they do well. It's just expected- but fall short of that expectation and watch out. The England rugby team had a great run there, but these things don't go on forever, and the comedown's always a bi**h.

Whereas Scotland, well, as long as we stay in a competition long enough to get a second round in that's a lifetime achievement. Sensible goals

13-11-06, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by northwind

I was really impressed by how well most people seem to be reacting to it, I'd assumed that the press would all be out for scalps but even right after the game it was fairly level-headed. Argentina just played better, England weren't particularily bad.

they are. they are after robbo's head from what i heard on 5live this morning....

13-11-06, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by philipMac

Seriously, can someone explain to me how a decent enough side, decent enough to jammy their way to a world cup victory, gets beaten by basically every one they play since?

They suck?

(Up the Springboks!)
Yeah I know Ireland gave us a hiding over the weekend

13-11-06, 12:20 PM

I think we are playing the same old style of rugby whereas most teams now have adapted to play a fast running game England seem to be content to try and play a driving game. I watched the Irish v SA and the Irish guys really moved the ball about well with good fast hands, playing the ball out to wide areas quickly and forcing the gaps. The English game still seems to be pick up the ball and run at the opposition using brute force to try and open gaps rather than ball play. I think that nearly all the international teams know England's Game plan as we seem content on playing the same style of rugby over and over. Consequently the English ball passing/play is generally slow and predictable.

These are just my observations and opinions, please feel free to flame as you please.

13-11-06, 05:21 AM	#1
philipMac Guest Posts: n/a	What's the story with English rugby? Seriously, can someone explain to me how a decent enough side, decent enough to jammy their way to a world cup victory, gets beaten by basically every one they play since? Argentina just hockeyed them out of it today http://sport.guardian.co.uk/rugbyuni...src=rss&feed=1 (Arg are a decent team really, but, their seventh consecutive loss...?) While its funny and everything, I am a bit amazed I have to say. What's going on?

13-11-06, 10:32 AM	#7
northwind Moderator Mega Poster Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: In the garage where I belong Posts: 17,082	I was really impressed by how well most people seem to be reacting to it, I'd assumed that the press would all be out for scalps but even right after the game it was fairly level-headed. Argentina just played better, England weren't particularily bad. Usually (racist stereotype approaching) English sports fans seem to take victory for granted, and it's an outrage if they don't get it- it's a damn shame, because it totally undervalues the teams' achievements when they do well. It's just expected- but fall short of that expectation and watch out. The England rugby team had a great run there, but these things don't go on forever, and the comedown's always a bi**h. Whereas Scotland, well, as long as we stay in a competition long enough to get a second round in that's a lifetime achievement. Sensible goals __________________ "We are the angry mob, we read the papers every day We like what we like, we hate what we hate But we're oh so easily swayed"

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13-11-06, 08:27 AM	#2
cuffy Guest Posts: n/a	Robinsons a Corry's got no respect from his players.

13-11-06, 09:41 AM	#5
Steve H Guest Posts: n/a	Wrong shaped ball?

13-11-06, 12:20 PM	#10
Swiss Guest Posts: n/a	I think we are playing the same old style of rugby whereas most teams now have adapted to play a fast running game England seem to be content to try and play a driving game. I watched the Irish v SA and the Irish guys really moved the ball about well with good fast hands, playing the ball out to wide areas quickly and forcing the gaps. The English game still seems to be pick up the ball and run at the opposition using brute force to try and open gaps rather than ball play. I think that nearly all the international teams know England's Game plan as we seem content on playing the same style of rugby over and over. Consequently the English ball passing/play is generally slow and predictable. These are just my observations and opinions, please feel free to flame as you please.