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Old 07-12-18, 12:59 PM   #1
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Default How not to install Ubuntu

In the never ending quest for frustration and #2 in the "How not to ..." series, I decided to load Ubuntu (18.04) onto a 140Gb drive.

Actually, it is reasonably straightforward and I didn't encounter any installation problems. Once installed (on my old Toshiba C655 laptop) it booted quickly (shuts down even quicker) and comes loaded with Firefox and a few other programs. I use FF and Chrome and I happened to have my bookmarks for the latter, so loaded Chrome. I also added skype, there was a "word" style writer so I haven't bothered with Open Office.

It is quick which is good.

What isn't so good is when you encounter a problem because you rapidly enter Nerdsville and I don't have a passport nor speak the language. Each step requires you to google more steps just to be able to type in the first instruction. Getting ubuntu to talk to my Win10 desktop was entertaining because 1) there seemed to be a few different methods which contradicted each other 2) it varied depending on what version of ubuntu you were using 3) a certain amount of knowledge was expected and you soon get tired of typing sudo, grep, lscfg and a host of other obscure words some of which yielded error messages others that did not. You will be expected to keep loading different software packages with no explanations of why and what they do.

My main problem is that my wifi no longer works, my laptop is stuck in airplane mode (which I have never had the option of before), the wifi won't turn on and the wifi network adaptor is disabled. This is not an uncommon problem (judging by google) but it appears there is no easy solution because each manufacturer is different. The Toshiba's wifi can be turned on/off by the function key and F8 but this now seems to be able to turn it off but not turn it back on. I did find another obscure command (note to self: make a note of them next time!) that echoes the keys and it told me that the Fn/F8 was connected to the wlan but didn't change anything whereas the Fn/F6 and F7 change the screen brightness and they worked when running this command. There is also a suggestion that "secure boot" can disable the wifi but I can't find how to disable that because most of the instructions 1) give me a headache because it's unclear whether the secure boot is in the Toshiba or in ubuntu or in both, 2) generate an error and 3) don't seem to match up with my laptop (there is no secure boot option in my bios)

Fortunately, I don't need wifi at the moment and I have win7 loaded on another SSD so I can switch back easily.

So, is ubuntu worth it? It's significantly quicker in start up/shutdown and is quicker (than win7 on an SSD) at web browsing but not by much. It is allegedly virus resistant which is good and there are a/v programs available (if you're a doubting Thomas).

I was curious but I don't think I will be staying with it. There's a pioneering feel to it because you have to drop into command line instructions so often, a bit like Windows 3.1 and dos (if you're old), I've asked for help on a ubuntu forum regarding the wifi and I'll give it a couple of days and see what happens.
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Old 07-12-18, 01:44 PM   #2
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I have a Raspberry Pi that I often use for browsing. I loaded Raspbian, which has built in word processor, spreadsheet, pretty much mirroring MS office ( and files are interchangeable ) and loads of other stuff, as it is Linux based it means using it as a browser you don't get pop up adverts and are lot less likely to get malware. Has 4 USB ports, Ethernet socket, HDMI socket, audio jack and WiFi
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Old 07-12-18, 02:01 PM   #3
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I fixed my wifi (I think), it's working now.

I removed the ubuntu SSD, refitted the win7 SSD, powered up, turned on the wifi and then powered down. Fitted the ubuntu SSD and now the wifi works - it looks like I can turn the wifi off with Fn/F8 but not back on. So not at all clunky then /s

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Old 07-12-18, 07:11 PM   #4
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WICD is worth a try, I've found it far better than the default wireless tool.
Can often sort out wireless issues just by changing over to WICD.
https://launchpad.net/wicd

Askubuntu well worth a look, also Omgubuntu

Ubuntu forum full of bellends.

Xubuntu far better than regular Ubuntu, Synaptic Package Manager much better than default software centre imo, maybe I'm just an old phart stuck in a timewarp.

sudo apt-get install synaptic
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Old 08-12-18, 12:34 PM   #5
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Hardware support on odd bits of laptop hardware is always a bit ropey on any Linux distro. The manufacturers only release drivers for windows. Can't blame them.

It's the nature of open source software that there's any where from zero to a thousand different ways of doing the same thing. Making the average a lot higher than one.

Ubuntu is about the best known and best supported there is. Command line is the primary method of interaction by choice. It's standardized (as far as anything is) and it's easier to support being just text, easy to copy and paste.

I think about half my job boils down to "monkey Google, monkey paste". I'm a Linux admin, in case you hadn't guessed.
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After running ubuntu 18.04 for a week I've decided to go back to Win7. I liked the speed of ubuntu but every time you want to do something different you have to go back to class, as much as Microsoft is scorned they have successfully automated most processes which ubuntu has not (yet).

I never did manage to get my ubuntu laptop to talk reliably to my Win10 desktop (it worked once). By the time you've loaded samba, nautilus (can't remember what that was for), fought to enter a samba password until you realise you don't have a user name set up, you're losing the will to live. (don't get me started on the text editors). Then you identify your ip address and type in a command on the desktop that looked something like this \\192.168.0.15\sambashare to... well I'm not too sure what that did but I managed to open a folder on my Win10 machine called sambashare. YES, YES, YES! only to find out that I couldn't drop anything into it because I didn't have permission - from Windows? from ubuntu? from God? The mountpoint (?) which opened on my ubuntu desktop was equally hostile at receiving files; they could see each other but wouldn't talk (sounds like my marriage pre-divorce); bugger this I've had enough.

I have 5 websites bookmarked informing me how to connect ubuntu to Windows; they are all slightly different. I found so many people with the same questions but the answers (all different, of course) were of the nature "do this" with no explanation of why and what you had done wrong.
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ahhh the joys of windows shares..... its all done deliberate so people buy NAS.

i dont go linnsucks as i CBA bashing the keyboard. windows just gets on with it with a lot more "polished" GUI.
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