speed cameras

Someone in todays metro suggested that "everyone knows speed kills" and that "speed cameras should be placed every 180m, and fines quadrupled"


How long do you reckon before we see this very thing? If I could buy a country, I'd fit speed cameras that flashed you if you weren't going fast enough.


I can just imagine it though, SPECS camera set at 31mph flashing people left right and centre, banning you from driving in one stretch of road and hitting you for £500 fines. They should have a scoreboard at the end "'Number of banned motorists: "

[Spiderman]

Originally Posted by mpaton2005

Someone in todays metro suggested that "everyone knows speed kills" and that "speed cameras should be placed every 180m, and fines quadrupled"

Who was this? i demand you post his full name and address immeadiately. For research purposes of course


By the way... cant make out the uniform in that pic... are you a copper or a pilot??
Sorry for the insult if your a pilot btw

[Sid Squid]

Speed Kills = B0LL0(K5

We keep hearing this as a mantra for the hang-'em-high contingent, it seems as if this issue is to be spun as hard as most issues of this government.

Surprisingly the governments own statistics suggest that only7% of accidents are as a direct result of speed.

[quote="Spiderman"]

Originally Posted by mpaton2005

By the way... cant make out the uniform in that pic... are you a copper or a pilot??
Sorry for the insult if your a pilot btw

check my profile

I like this as an illustration of how insane people have got http://www.abd.org.uk/ht-kills.htm

[northwind]

Nice one Carsick All perfectly logical, in a completely screwed-up way.

I dunno... I can see the point about increasing speed cameras, in certain areas.. The facts about the chances of survival in a pedestrian vs car collision at 40 compared with 30 do speak for themselves, so I reckon speed in residential 30s should be controlled as tightly as possible... I saw someone say once put a speed camera outside every school, and that i'd agree with.

But it's nonsense to suggest speed's dangerous by itself... So I'd balance it with a total review of speed limits- those 30s that everyone speeds in because they feel like 40s, make 'em 40s. Motorways at 70? Makes no sense. Fast duals at 50? Nonsense...

Combine that with marked play streets to help keep kids off busy roads- that's a great scheme that's never really been fully implemented, it worked well in the pilot areas then got more or less ignored in favour of 20mph zones.

In residential areas, develop well-marked quicker trunk routes, cut down parking on them so that visibility's better, so you can flow cars through safer areas and not down back roads.

[embee]

Originally Posted by northwind

Nice one Carsick ... I saw someone say once put a speed camera outside every school, and that i'd agree with.

disagree, the last thing you want outside a school is drivers staring at their speedo to make sure they're not over the limit.

I'd vote for 20 limit but no cameras outside schools.

Overall, the experiments which have removed all road markings, kerbs, footpath edges etc, including at crossroads and T-junctions, seem to work. If you make the roads more puzzling and uncertain, everyone seems to be more careful and tolerant (no priorities = no arguments! )

[rictus01]

Originally Posted by northwind

Nice one Carsick All perfectly logical, in a completely screwed-up way.

I dunno... I can see the point about increasing speed cameras, in certain areas.. The facts about the chances of survival in a pedestrian vs car collision at 40 compared with 30 do speak for themselves, so I reckon speed in residential 30s should be controlled as tightly as possible... I saw someone say once put a speed camera outside every school, and that i'd agree with.

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Now to play devils advocate here, have you seen the TV ad with the kid , broken bones, telling us all if she was hit at 30 she had an 80% chance of surviving and at 40 an 80% chance of not, well me question would be, what the f**k is she doing in the road in the first place

I've no problem with speed limits if they make sense (at 3 pm I'm the guy doing 15 mph going past the school, terrified one of the mums is going to kill me ), but speed cameras are 24hrs and disregard weather or road conditions, so surely going passed a school is safer at midnight as no-one is there? so why should it be 20 mph.

I temper my compliance to the legalities of road use, with a good measure of common sense, much the same as most motoring laws, a dark visor is illegal, but on a bright winters day, I'm not prepared to risk my life and those around me by using a clear one and compromising my observations.

Speed cameras only tell me someone thinks there's a hazard ahead, so I look for it, if it's there, I'll react, if not it's a skills teat, fast as you can up to it, heavy braking before the first marker, straight on the gas at the last one.


Now that should get someones back up

Cheers Mark.

Originally Posted by rictus01

well me question would be, what the f**k is she doing in the road in the first place

She has as much right to use the public roads/pavements as anyone else. Every single person is a pedestrian at some time and every single one deserves some protection from the abuse of public areas.

I believe that 30mph limits should be enforced. Don't care much about other higher limits, by definition the most vulnerable are much less likely to be affected.

[rictus01]

Originally Posted by Sholay

She has as much right to use the public roads/pavements as anyone else. Every single person is a pedestrian at some time and every single one deserves some protection from the abuse of public areas.

I believe that 30mph limits should be enforced. Don't care much about other higher limits, by definition the most vulnerable are much less likely to be affected.

both my kids knew not to play in the road, and before they were old enough to understand, were subjected to parental control around roads?

green cross code? parental neglect?

I'm not advocating driving or riding on a playground here, but if kids are to young to understand and cross a road sensibly then someone should either tell them how or take them across. 30 mph will still kill people and as for "abuse of a public area" isn't that playing in the road and not driving/riding down it?

Cheers Mark.