The Covid19 thread

[Ruffy]

Originally Posted by garynortheast

Adherence to unpleasant ideologies has the alarming ability to render some people blind to the reality of situations and facts.

(Though personally I would not limit it to just "unpleasant" ideologies.)

I am also pleasantly surprised that my own general opinion can also be pretty well represented by the substitution of pretty much just one word in Seeker's post - see below

IMHO, systematic change is required for the benefit of the country. Party politics and the "whip" system is not serving us at all well.

Originally Posted by Seeker

...
The facts as we currently know them are that we, as a country, have done a poor job ...
The inability and/or reluctance to make a decision because half of the damn MPs in Parliament <Tories> pull one way and the half pull the other - we saw it with Brexit, we see it with the pandemic response.
...

[DJ123]

The systematic change needed is to hold MP's accountable for their actions, and don't treat them like they're above the law.
If they stop representing the people and only work for themselves/party donor's, relinquish them of their duty as an MP and send them back to their constituency. And claim back all expenses.

[embee]

The one thing you can pretty much guarantee with any "independent" or "judicial" inquiry is what will happen as a result.




NOTHING.





I sum up the world situation in 2 words .............. SH*T SHOW............ and yes, Great Britain is leading the way.

"Lessons must be learnt" (Yeah, right)
"Never again" (yeah, until the next time).

[Bibio]

the great british judicial and enquiry system at work https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillsborough_disaster

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by DJ123

The systematic change needed is to hold MP's accountable for their actions, and don't treat them like they're above the law.

Agreed.

Priti Patel was accused and found guilty of bullying by the ethics advisor to BoZo (Sir Alex Allan). BoZo overrode the investigation and allowed Patel to stay in her post whereas normal procedure would have been for her to step down or at least face some punishment. Don't forget she was fired by Theresa May for lying (by omission) so she has past record of being unethical.

The ethics advisor stepped down because he was overruled and BoZo didn't replace him for 6 months. When he was replaced it was under different guidelines where BoZo has the ability to prevent any ethics investigation from starting.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by Seeker

Agreed.

Priti Patel was accused and found guilty of bullying by the ethics advisor to BoZo (Sir Alex Allan). BoZo overrode the investigation and allowed Patel to stay in her post whereas normal procedure would have been for her to step down or at least face some punishment. Don't forget she was fired by Theresa May for lying (by omission) so she has past record of being unethical.
The ethics advisor stepped down because he was overruled and BoZo didn't replace him for 6 months. When he was replaced it was under different guidelines where BoZo has the ability to prevent any ethics investigation from starting.

How do they get away with it ?!

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by svenrico

How do they get away with it ?!

...because people aren't paying attention and don't bother writing to their MP, plus the Mail and Express seldom report these cases.

Here's another one that he's getting away with...

The Electoral Commission is an independent body that checks to make sure that donations to the political parties are legal and above board.

It investigated BoZo's flat refurbishment so BoZo is planning to strip it of its power to investigate since rules are for other people.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1868407.html

It has been under threat since the "Vote Leave" campaign broke spending limits and was caught.

Incidentally, the bill that will strip the commission of its powers is the same bill that will require voter id at general elections. A power grab since lower income people are less likely to have a passport or driving license. Thw claim is to stop voter fraud - there were 6 cases at the last election (out of 28 million votes).

Russian donors are the major money behind the Conservative Party.

[SV650rules]

The government followed the advice of their covid medical advisory panel, but some people with an axe to grind continue to try to blame the Tories, personally I am so glad that useless Labour were not in power.



As for Vote leave breaking the spending limit, there were a couple of court cases that exonerated them of that trumped up charge. Remain had extra funding in the form of £9million of taxpayers money spent on the openly Remain leaflet that was delivered to every household in UK.

[Seeker]

Originally Posted by SV650rules

As for Vote leave breaking the spending limit, there were a couple of court cases that exonerated them of that trumped up charge. Remain had extra funding in the form of £9million of taxpayers money spent on the openly Remain leaflet that was delivered to every household in UK.

Vote Leave were fined £61000 for breaking the law.

Originally Posted by SV650rules

The government followed the advice of their covid medical advisory panel, but some people with an axe to grind continue to try to blame the Tories, personally I am so glad that useless Labour were not in power.

Of course the Tories get the blame, they were in power. It was shown by S Korea that an early lockdown was effective and we could see the virus running rampant in Italy but the clown posse dithered and we had unnecessary deaths. The all party MP panel that described our early response as a failure was dominated by Tory MPs. So, please, no whitewashing.

The elephant in the room is that we currently have one of the highest number of cases in the world and are losing over 100 people per day. Our "world beating" vaccination program has stalled and several EU countries have passed us. The government message seems to be everything is great and we're back to normal, whilst the medical people are saying we can't persuade the under 30s to get jabs and it's going to be a rough winter. More mixed messages.

Would Labour have done better? We will never know, but I'm happy you take solace in that they were not.

[SV650rules]

Remain campaign also broke spending limits ( and that is without even including the taxpayer funded leaflets via H M Government )



https://www.publicfinance.co.uk/news...pro-eu-leaflet



https://order-order.com/2018/03/26/r...ave-far-worse/


Due to the massive left bias of electoral commission they were on a mission against vote leave, but some cases against vote leave were thrown out, despite electoral commission spending taxpayers money on a witchhunt. Vote leave actually asked electoral commission for advice on funding and the advice they were given was wrong.





https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politi...eporting-story


https://order-order.com/2018/09/14/h...unfit-purpose/