The Covid19 thread

[embee]

With respect ...... if it's on the TV it must be true.

Try for example
https://www.rai.it/dl/doc/2021/02/19...ATO_REPORT.pdf

I can't lay my hands on the link for the UK contract at the moment, someone else posted it up on this forum when I had said it wasn't available, and I was wrong.
It's available online somewhere, maybe someone else will be able to give you the link.

Edit - try this link for download of pdf of UK/AZ contract
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rc...F1XPioOeuUenlA

[Seeker]

uh oh!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-b1824322.html

So the people that worked on the under performing test and trace (which has a budget of £37 billion) will now be working on a vaccine passport. What could possibly go wrong?

In my naive, simplistic world view - you'd primarily need a vaccine passport for foreign travel. You need a regular passport for travel, the NHS knows whether you've been vaccinated. So if you're travelling, send in your passport to the passport office, let them contact the NHS to verify you've been inoculated and your passport gets stamped.

Would this work, of course not. I'm sure the NHS records can't be opened to the passport office so it would need a new office to be set up in the NHS as point of contact. The passport offices are usually swamped in normal times and wouldn't be able to handle the work load. I'm sure we can come up with a lot more expensive way of doing it (and then buy the forged documents on ebay a week later).

[Bibio]

Originally Posted by svenrico

Why should we respect the Scottish government rules if we stay outside Scotland ?!

yup i see.. my dyslekit kicked in


if your planing on coming to Scotland on holiday from elsewhere in the UK because you think you can due to Westminster saying its ok in England etc.etc..... YOU CANT till Holyrood says you can. see above post....

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by embee

With respect ...... if it's on the TV it must be true.

Surely you can't be suggesting there is fake news on tv !
I haven't read all the links you have given but I did notice the 'best reasonable efforts ' term was used in the AZ/EU contract , which I think was being given as an important difference between the AZ/EU and AZ/UK contracts.

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by Bibio

yup i see.. my dyslekit kicked in
if your planing on coming to Scotland on holiday from elsewhere in the UK because you think you can due to Westminster saying its ok in England etc.etc..... YOU CANT till Holyrood says you can. see above post....

Has Westminster said it is ok for us to holiday in Scotland ? If Holyrood wants to keep visitors out, that's ok , I won't bother going. I'll go somewhere where there aren't so many midges !

[embee]

Originally Posted by svenrico

..... the 'best reasonable efforts ' term was used in the AZ/EU contract , which I think was being given as an important difference between the AZ/EU and AZ/UK contracts.

I think you'll find it is used in both contracts.

This copied from the AZ/UK contract link
“Best Reasonable Efforts” means the activities and degree of effort that a company of similar
size with a similarly-sized infrastructure and similar resources as AstraZeneca would undertake
or use at the relevant stage of development or commercialisation, having regard to the urgent
need for a vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in serious public health issues,
restrictions on personal freedoms and economic impact, across the world but taking into
account efficacy and safety;

[svenrico]

Originally Posted by embee

I think you'll find it is used in both contracts.

This copied from the AZ/UK contract link
“Best Reasonable Efforts” means the activities and degree of effort that a company of similar
size with a similarly-sized infrastructure and similar resources as AstraZeneca would undertake
or use at the relevant stage of development or commercialisation, having regard to the urgent
need for a vaccine to end a global pandemic which is resulting in serious public health issues,
restrictions on personal freedoms and economic impact, across the world but taking into
account efficacy and safety;

Why did 'they' quote this as being a critical difference between the two contracts ?
Must stop watching tv news !
ps and reading newspapers.
pps and looking on internet.

[widepants]

Wow , not been on here for yrs

[embee]

Originally Posted by svenrico

Why did 'they' quote this as being a critical difference between the two contracts ? ..............

There is quite a lot of stuff redacted, in the EU contract it is pretty much all delivery/scheduling etc.
I confess I haven't trawled through every item of the UK contract so can't really give any impression as to what has been redacted, whether there was some form of preference or priority clause within the contract or whether there was a similar separate agreement/contract. General opinion seems to be that there was something of this sort of priority agreed.
Kate Bingham (vaccine czarina) was interviewed on the Today programme (BBC Radio4) in January and was asked that specific question by Nick Robinson, and she paused and said she didn't want to discuss such details. It would have been very easy to simply deny it. Seasoned interviewers like Nick Robinson tend to only ask such questions when they already know the answer.

[Seeker]

As I alluded to earlier, the difference is which legal system the contract was written under. Even if the wording is similar it means different things under each system:

https://www.politico.eu/article/the-...eca-contracts/