I need training...

[Mr Speirs]

Originally Posted by Red Herring

You could try these people, especially the Supermoto dates if he's running any more. I know several people who have used them and had a brilliant day out.

http://www.i2imca.com/index.htm

That looks really good actually, will keep that in mind.

YO Speci!

I agree that something like IAM and ROSPA will be beneficial. They don't just teach obs, they teach you how to approach bends, and read them and how to take which ever line you need and how to deal with a bend which may tighten or if you need to change your line because of an unexpected hazard.

I don't really get how a trackday will help your particular problem? Sure a trackday will help you with cornering on a big wide open piece of road where you have full view but it won't help with those tight little bends...

Just MHO.

I did the mick boddice track training at a darley moor circuit, small groups on their cbr600rr's. Think it was about £200 but dont quote me on that. I enjoyed it, there was plenty track time unlike alot of other schools. I have heard Ron Haslams hardly has any track time.

How about track training and road training?

Track riding definitely improves bike control and you learn what your tyres can take.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by Milky Bar Kid

I don't really get how a trackday will help your particular problem? Sure a trackday will help you with cornering on a big wide open piece of road where you have full view but it won't help with those tight little bends...

Not all tracks are like this, half of them you can't see the apex, or the braking zone, or where exactly the exit is.

So it's fook all good for the road. EXCEPT knowing just how far below of the limits you are on the road, which is a ridiculous amount, helps stop the panic response of standing the bike up.


Read roadcraft, go play. Find some mates who know how to ride who are willing to drop their pace to within 10% of yours and go keep up with them.

Yeah, you can concentrate on feel of bike rather than target fixating on dry stone walls and lampposts.

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by lily

IAM may be the best start before start spending out on track days

IAM is bloody expensive. £150? get 2 track days for that if you are shopping around.

but no track surface is like public road?!

[yorkie_chris]

Originally Posted by lily

but no track surface is like public road?!

To an extent, tarmac is tarmac. You're still riding the bike around a corner. The tarmac is a tiny bit better but the limit just changes a bit, you still FIND the limit in the same way.

All of biking is comparison, there is no absolute. Like setup of bike, you only know good from bad if you try bad first then experience good.

For someone on first few trackdays coming from very fast road, limit is in exactly same place as far as you notice.


To elaborate a bit more, as that's cryptic:
VERY FEW accidents on the road are anything to do with the absolute grip available!
Most are when someone bricks themselves and GRABS the brake mid corner and stands the bike up. This will make you crash on a track too! Just the same as going into a corner 20% too fast... 5% more grip means you are still 15% in the sh*t.

I agree youll be better off starting with road based training. This will help with your obs and hazard perception, which is where I believe your fear of gravel and greasy roads come from. Reading the road ahead is the key, being in the right position, at the right speed and being able to deal with the unexpected.

A roadcraft course with a good training school would be your best starting point. Do a bit of research to find the right school with the best instructor in your area (sorry, cant help you there).

Track based training can definately help you to corner, but it wont be as helpful with the obs and perception aspects, which is where I think your main problems lie.