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Bibio · 27-10-17, 07:55 PM

declares independence.. discuss

maviczap · 27-10-17, 08:18 PM

I've always liked that Cerys Matthews

munkygunn182 · 27-10-17, 08:25 PM

Power to them. They came, they discussed, they done. If folk didn't want it, they should have put their mark in the box, illegitimate referendum or not.

SV650rules · 27-10-17, 08:36 PM

May quieten Spain about Gibraltar while they are having this crisis. Another thing for EU to worry about. Send in the Junkers to sort them out, he will drink them into submission, Catalonia need to talk about the divorce bill before discussing independence.

embee · 28-10-17, 10:17 AM

Idealists vs realists.

Kind of rings a bell.

These things always end in tears.

SV650rules · 28-10-17, 03:47 PM

With 7.5 million people, 25% of Spanish industry and producing about 20% of Spanish GDP Catalonia is crucial to Spain, especially when British tourism starts to dry up in southern parts of Spain as a result of lower value of £ and possible travel restriction after the 'B' event in 2019.

Catalonia has the clout to go it alone, unlike some other wannabee independent colonies LOL.

Biker Biggles · 28-10-17, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by embee

Idealists vs realists.

Kind of rings a bell.

These things always end in tears.

Sad but true.
Lots of silly men waving their willys about and pretending to have simple answers to complex questions.
It does ring a bell doesnt it?

Sir Trev · 28-10-17, 07:45 PM

Don't want to worry any of you but since Madrid said no it seems the Catalans have decided to declare Piccadilly Circus independent instead...

Catalonia annexes Eros by Trevor Laight, on Flickr

Littlepeahead · 29-10-17, 06:22 AM

Canvey Island is also considering taking the same action.

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keith_d · 29-10-17, 07:33 AM

I'm waiting to see what Madrid does if the promised fresh elections give a majority to the independence party. There are some interesting possibilities:

Big majority for remainers - independence party disputes results (I would see this as rather suspect too) and it all descends into a decade of political strife.
Small majority for remainers - great news for Madrid, politically this is their ideal result and it could happen.
Small majority for independence party - IMO the most likely result. Not a great basis for pushing on with independence, but Madrid can 'compromise' and devolve a few more powers to the region or make a fight of it claiming that it's looking after the interests of the other forty-something percent of the population.
Big majority for independence party - much more likely after heavy handed police actions. This is the real kicker, what does Madrid do if the Catalans re-elect Puigdemont with a clear mandate??

If I were a wily Spanish politician I'd be preparing to discuss the details of independence, with a view to tying them up in at least a decade of negotiations...

Just my thoughts,

Keith

27-10-17, 07:55 PM	#1
Bibio Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: here as devil's advocate Posts: 11,540	Catalonia declares independence.. discuss

27-10-17, 08:18 PM	#2
maviczap Member Mega Poster Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 9,096	Re: Catalonia I've always liked that Cerys Matthews __________________ We're riding out tonight to case the promised land Make everyday count RIP Reeder - Jolly Green Giant and comedy genius

27-10-17, 08:25 PM	#3
munkygunn182 Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Paisley Posts: 330	Re: Catalonia Power to them. They came, they discussed, they done. If folk didn't want it, they should have put their mark in the box, illegitimate referendum or not. __________________ 2014 Triumph Explorer 1997 Honda VTR1000 - project bike - now working!

27-10-17, 08:36 PM	#4
SV650rules Member Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Shropshire UK Posts: 1,363	Re: Catalonia May quieten Spain about Gibraltar while they are having this crisis. Another thing for EU to worry about. Send in the Junkers to sort them out, he will drink them into submission, Catalonia need to talk about the divorce bill before discussing independence. __________________ 2016 SV650 AL7 Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear - Mark Twain

28-10-17, 10:17 AM	#5
embee Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Warwickshire Posts: 2,801	Re: Catalonia Idealists vs realists. Kind of rings a bell. These things always end in tears. __________________ "Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity"

28-10-17, 03:47 PM	#6
SV650rules Member Mega Poster Join Date: Nov 2016 Location: Shropshire UK Posts: 1,363	Re: Catalonia With 7.5 million people, 25% of Spanish industry and producing about 20% of Spanish GDP Catalonia is crucial to Spain, especially when British tourism starts to dry up in southern parts of Spain as a result of lower value of £ and possible travel restriction after the 'B' event in 2019. Catalonia has the clout to go it alone, unlike some other wannabee independent colonies LOL. __________________ 2016 SV650 AL7 Courage is resistance to fear, mastery of fear, not absence of fear - Mark Twain

28-10-17, 07:45 PM	#8
Sir Trev Member Mega Poster Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: High Wycombe, where the chair factories used to be Posts: 1,440	Re: Catalonia Don't want to worry any of you but since Madrid said no it seems the Catalans have decided to declare Piccadilly Circus independent instead... Catalonia annexes Eros by Trevor Laight, on Flickr __________________ We are the Goon Squad and we're coming to town, BEEP BEEP!

29-10-17, 06:22 AM	#9
Littlepeahead Member Mega Poster Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: The Saaarrrfff Posts: 2,908	Re: Catalonia Canvey Island is also considering taking the same action. Sent from my SM-G930F using Tapatalk __________________ Tender is the day, The demons go away, Lord I need to find, Someone who can heal my mind...

29-10-17, 07:33 AM	#10
keith_d Member Mega Poster Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Ruislip Posts: 1,131	Re: Catalonia I'm waiting to see what Madrid does if the promised fresh elections give a majority to the independence party. There are some interesting possibilities: Big majority for remainers - independence party disputes results (I would see this as rather suspect too) and it all descends into a decade of political strife. Small majority for remainers - great news for Madrid, politically this is their ideal result and it could happen. Small majority for independence party - IMO the most likely result. Not a great basis for pushing on with independence, but Madrid can 'compromise' and devolve a few more powers to the region or make a fight of it claiming that it's looking after the interests of the other forty-something percent of the population. Big majority for independence party - much more likely after heavy handed police actions. This is the real kicker, what does Madrid do if the Catalans re-elect Puigdemont with a clear mandate?? If I were a wily Spanish politician I'd be preparing to discuss the details of independence, with a view to tying them up in at least a decade of negotiations... Just my thoughts, Keith