Bereaved family releases shocking video

[flymo]

I reckon just about everybody would have done exactly what this guy did and end up hitting the car.

[Kenzie]

I guess so. At that speed you wouldn't have much time to do anything about it.

Originally Posted by flymo

I reckon just about everybody would have done exactly what this guy did and end up hitting the car.

Actually I'm not sure about that, some people have better or braver survival techniques, I'm pretty sure I would of swerved and/or braked extremely hard, I certainly would've rolled off and be expecting that car to pull across my path, that said, I went out on Saturday and i was stupidly paranoid on similar junctions due to this film.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by Specialone

Actually I'm not sure about that, some people have better or braver survival techniques, I'm pretty sure I would of swerved and/or braked extremely hard, I certainly would've rolled off and be expecting that car to pull across my path, that said, I went out on Saturday and i was stupidly paranoid on similar junctions due to this film.

Yeah, I meant given the same scenario. He clearly didnt expect anything to cross his path, but as for deciding to go left or right or any other acrobatic trick we would have all done exactly the same and hit it.

[NTECUK]

The Most Import thing is we lean from others mistakes and avoid the situation.
ie In a car recognize its difficult to see thin things like motorcycles.
On a motorcycle take a bit of caution at junctions and place your self in a situation to reduce the risks.
either by reducing your speed ,road position,Sound your horn etc.
Its going to change in any given situation. whats appropriate for that situation. And adapt it as the situation is just as likely to change.
If a Junction is dangerous, pressurize the council to fix it!
No one answer fits all unfortunately

Originally Posted by ManMango

Before reading these forum replies I would also have gone left to avoid the collision but due to the memory of this video and all these posts if this ever happened to me I will remember to go right.

Don't write yourself any rules. Every situation is different and you have to assess it as you approach it and plan your escape route - in advance.

"OK, there's a car signalling or waiting to turn across my path, if he hasn't seen me and he does turn in front of me, where am I going to go?"

There's a lot of talk on here about whether he would have been able to make a decision and react at 60mph. Don't react when the car starts to turn, understand that he might turn and think about it in advance. That way when the car does it, you don't waste time wondering which way to go do whilst soiling your trousers, you just brake and steer.

In this case right was the best way to go, but if there has been another car behind that one also entering the filter lane, you wouldn't be able to swerve right into the filter lane, because you'd seriously be at risk of having a head on with the second car.

Sometimes you enter dangerous situations where there is no viable escape route, for instance the road might be too narrow, in that case think in advance, where is the softest place to crash.

Assess each dangerous situation as it develops in front of you, and plan the escape route that's appropriate to that situation.

Of course you need to be at an appropriate speed for the situation, so that you give yourself time to plan, and to execute the plan.

[Bibio]

ok i just watched the clip. luck of the draw. silly speeds in a silly area. i will say one thing now that i have had a chance to see the footage and that there was nothing he could have done to avoid the collision. at the speed he was doing you could not manoeuvre a bike quick enough and still be in control to avoid collision even trying to go right or left the bike would not make the manoeuvre or even if it did then he would have lost control and hit something else. i personally would not have expected the car to turn in front of me and looking at the footage by the time it was turning and the rate of speed i'm afraid to say i would have been brown bread as well, saying that i would not have been doing those speeds approaching a junction anyway.

two wrongs ended in a fatal accident, shizz happens. is it going to make me think twice about how i'm riding? no! coz i dont ride like a complete knob and know when to slow down. yes everyone that knows me knows i ride fast buy only when i know i can.

Lets pretend the car he overtook wasn't there, and it was just open road in front, I'd have come back to 60-70mph as soon as I saw the warning triangle for the junction. As soon as I saw the car indicating right (which he did before entering the filter lane) then I'd have backed off to about 50.

Obviously had he been doing those speeds, it would have been a different situation as he wouldn't have overtaken the car.

Before junctions isn't the place to be overtaking anyway.

'Target fixation' that's why he hit it. If he had concentration to the right of the car, knowing that was a 'safe' escape route then even at the stupid speed he was going in the situation there is a big chance he would avoided the collision altogether.

[flymo]

Originally Posted by Phoenix22

'Target fixation' that's why he hit it. If he had concentration to the right of the car, knowing that was a 'safe' escape route then even at the stupid speed he was going in the situation there is a big chance he would avoided the collision altogether.

nah, not a chance at that speed. If he had been anticipating the car crossing his path he would have slowed well in advance. He never knew that was coming until way too late.